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>They have code targeting specific subreddits to actively prevent them from being on the front page. Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod

>They have code targeting specific subreddits to actively prevent them from being on the front page. Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done after consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community.

koolba 10y ago
> Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. How about /u/spez himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_... Quoting part of his post (feel free to Ctrl-F to find the context): >> Posts stickied on r/the_donald will no longer appear in r/all. It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. > And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit?
- justinlaster 10y ago
  I literally just addressed both of those points. Sticked posts are mod tools. They didn't do anything else. You literally pointed out exactly what I did. >It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. Again, I already pointed this out. >Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Once again, in my reply to you: >consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Other subreddits use them for the designed purpose. For example sports related subreddits will use sticked posts for currently running games, etc. /r/The_Donald used mod stickies to rally the community behind one post on a near daily basis with the express purpose of getting it to the front page. Notice that they can still sticky posts, it just won't show up on /r/all. The community moderators found a loophole in reddit's system and the admins stopped the abuse. Presumably, this was not done to other subreddits because they don't abuse the tool with the express purpose of antagonizing the rest of the community.
  - rfrank 10y ago
    So not using a tool in the way that the designer intends constitutes abuse now? An interesting perspective for a community with hacker in the name.
    - koolba 10y ago
      Haha. Exactly. They're using it exactly as it was intended. Arguably, they're just better at using it.
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.
      - rfrank 10y ago
        > The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner I don't think that's true, I think you just don't like the content.
        justinlaster 10y ago
        The admins and a sizable portion, if not the majority, of reddit think it's true. It's also odd that you seem to forget that the content in question was specifically and continually addressed to the rest of the community in an often aggressive manner. Hardly any active and constructive discussion, political or otherwise, took place on those threads. Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. Notice that after the tool was limited, the frequency at which posts show up on the front page was severely decreased. The posts were not being upvoted because of the content, they were being upvoted specifically to get the thread to the front page and often with no constructive purpose.
- mejari 10y ago
  >> And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. >Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Because every subreddit wasn't abusing the system? I thought that was pretty explicit in what you quoted.
  - drakonandor 10y ago
    They were abusing what system? Having a popular sub that people like to upvote posts on?
    - mejari 10y ago
      It was explained by the grandparent. They used the sticky to abuse the upvote system by getting everyone to upvote the stickied threads. It breaks the organic upvoting of content to the front page by forcing the thread to the front page of the sub, in order to get it more votes. The point of stickies is to provide announcements that everyone in the sub should see, which is not how they were using it.
talmand 10y ago
I don't understand, you're requesting a source for something you state yourself in the following sentence? What am I misunderstanding?
- justinlaster 10y ago
  There is a difference between limiting a mod tool and code that stops a subreddit's post from getting to the front page. The former is what I referenced, the latter is what I was asking a source for.

koolba 10y ago

> Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. How about /u/spez himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_... Quoting part of his post (feel free to Ctrl-F to find the context): >> Posts stickied on r/the_donald will no longer appear in r/all. It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. > And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit?

justinlaster 10y ago
I literally just addressed both of those points. Sticked posts are mod tools. They didn't do anything else. You literally pointed out exactly what I did. >It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. Again, I already pointed this out. >Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Once again, in my reply to you: >consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Other subreddits use them for the designed purpose. For example sports related subreddits will use sticked posts for currently running games, etc. /r/The_Donald used mod stickies to rally the community behind one post on a near daily basis with the express purpose of getting it to the front page. Notice that they can still sticky posts, it just won't show up on /r/all. The community moderators found a loophole in reddit's system and the admins stopped the abuse. Presumably, this was not done to other subreddits because they don't abuse the tool with the express purpose of antagonizing the rest of the community.
- rfrank 10y ago
  So not using a tool in the way that the designer intends constitutes abuse now? An interesting perspective for a community with hacker in the name.
  - koolba 10y ago
    Haha. Exactly. They're using it exactly as it was intended. Arguably, they're just better at using it.
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.
    - rfrank 10y ago
      > The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner I don't think that's true, I think you just don't like the content.
      - justinlaster 10y ago
        The admins and a sizable portion, if not the majority, of reddit think it's true. It's also odd that you seem to forget that the content in question was specifically and continually addressed to the rest of the community in an often aggressive manner. Hardly any active and constructive discussion, political or otherwise, took place on those threads. Indeed it's hard for that to ever happen when your mods immediately ban anyone who doesn't fit a certain mold. Notice that after the tool was limited, the frequency at which posts show up on the front page was severely decreased. The posts were not being upvoted because of the content, they were being upvoted specifically to get the thread to the front page and often with no constructive purpose.
mejari 10y ago
>> And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. >Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Because every subreddit wasn't abusing the system? I thought that was pretty explicit in what you quoted.
- drakonandor 10y ago
  They were abusing what system? Having a popular sub that people like to upvote posts on?
  - mejari 10y ago
    It was explained by the grandparent. They used the sticky to abuse the upvote system by getting everyone to upvote the stickied threads. It breaks the organic upvoting of content to the front page by forcing the thread to the front page of the sub, in order to get it more votes. The point of stickies is to provide announcements that everyone in the sub should see, which is not how they were using it.

talmand 10y ago

I don't understand, you're requesting a source for something you state yourself in the following sentence? What am I misunderstanding?

justinlaster 10y ago
There is a difference between limiting a mod tool and code that stops a subreddit's post from getting to the front page. The former is what I referenced, the latter is what I was asking a source for.