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We need to lay to rest this ridiculous notion that reddit is actively censoring anyone. A few subs have hosted outright illegal material, harassed users on and

We need to lay to rest this ridiculous notion that reddit is actively censoring anyone. A few subs have hosted outright illegal material, harassed users on and offline, and ruined the general ecosystem in the rest of reddit. The admins have reacted accordingly... sometimes. The bar to get out right banned from reddit is absurdly (and needlessly, in my opinion) high. However, these specific changes have been planned for a while now, it was one of the principal topics of interest when spez came back. There is no "catch all excuse", it's been in the pipeline before people confused free speech and system abuse of a private website.

koolba 10y ago
> We need to lay to rest this ridiculous notion that reddit is actively censoring anyone. They have code targeting specific subreddits to actively prevent them from being on the front page. While not totally censoring those people, they are putting their fingers on the scale which many see as a form of censorship.
- justinlaster 10y ago
  >They have code targeting specific subreddits to actively prevent them from being on the front page. Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done after consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community.
  - koolba 10y ago
    > Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. How about /u/spez himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_... Quoting part of his post (feel free to Ctrl-F to find the context): >> Posts stickied on r/the_donald will no longer appear in r/all. It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. > And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit?
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      I literally just addressed both of those points. Sticked posts are mod tools. They didn't do anything else. You literally pointed out exactly what I did. >It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. Again, I already pointed this out. >Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Once again, in my reply to you: >consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Other subreddits use them for the designed purpose. For example sports related subreddits will use sticked posts for currently running games, etc. /r/The_Donald used mod stickies to rally the community behind one post on a near daily basis with the express purpose of getting it to the front page. Notice that they can still sticky posts, it just won't show up on /r/all. The community moderators found a loophole in reddit's system and the admins stopped the abuse. Presumably, this was not done to other subreddits because they don't abuse the tool with the express purpose of antagonizing the rest of the community.
      - rfrank 10y ago
        So not using a tool in the way that the designer intends constitutes abuse now? An interesting perspective for a community with hacker in the name.
        koolba 10y ago
        Haha. Exactly. They're using it exactly as it was intended. Arguably, they're just better at using it.
        justinlaster 10y ago
        That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.
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  - talmand 10y ago
    I don't understand, you're requesting a source for something you state yourself in the following sentence? What am I misunderstanding?
    - justinlaster 10y ago
      There is a difference between limiting a mod tool and code that stops a subreddit's post from getting to the front page. The former is what I referenced, the latter is what I was asking a source for.
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koolba 10y ago

> We need to lay to rest this ridiculous notion that reddit is actively censoring anyone. They have code targeting specific subreddits to actively prevent them from being on the front page. While not totally censoring those people, they are putting their fingers on the scale which many see as a form of censorship.

justinlaster 10y ago
>They have code targeting specific subreddits to actively prevent them from being on the front page. Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done after consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community.
- koolba 10y ago
  > Source? The only thing they've done is prevent certain mod tools from being used a slingshot to the front page for specific subreddits. How about /u/spez himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_... Quoting part of his post (feel free to Ctrl-F to find the context): >> Posts stickied on r/the_donald will no longer appear in r/all. It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. > And this wasn't done out of hatred, it was done have consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Oh really? Then why not apply it to every subreddit?
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    I literally just addressed both of those points. Sticked posts are mod tools. They didn't do anything else. You literally pointed out exactly what I did. >It's not a global change to everybody. It's only for that one specific subreddit. Again, I already pointed this out. >Then why not apply it to every subreddit? Once again, in my reply to you: >consistent and continual abuse of those mod tools to antagonize the rest of the community. Other subreddits use them for the designed purpose. For example sports related subreddits will use sticked posts for currently running games, etc. /r/The_Donald used mod stickies to rally the community behind one post on a near daily basis with the express purpose of getting it to the front page. Notice that they can still sticky posts, it just won't show up on /r/all. The community moderators found a loophole in reddit's system and the admins stopped the abuse. Presumably, this was not done to other subreddits because they don't abuse the tool with the express purpose of antagonizing the rest of the community.
    - rfrank 10y ago
      So not using a tool in the way that the designer intends constitutes abuse now? An interesting perspective for a community with hacker in the name.
      - koolba 10y ago
        Haha. Exactly. They're using it exactly as it was intended. Arguably, they're just better at using it.
      - justinlaster 10y ago
        That is a completely disingenuous take on what was stated. The subreddit in question specifically and continually used the tool in a negative, unconstructive manner, which is obviously not what it is designed for. Other subreddits use the mod tool in various ways that don't have anything to do with the explicit purpose of stickied posts, which I pointed out, but notice I didn't label that as abuse.
        10y ago
- talmand 10y ago
  I don't understand, you're requesting a source for something you state yourself in the following sentence? What am I misunderstanding?
  - justinlaster 10y ago
    There is a difference between limiting a mod tool and code that stops a subreddit's post from getting to the front page. The former is what I referenced, the latter is what I was asking a source for.
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