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Who exactly is the point being made to? The travelers who are missing their flights? The difference between the TSA policy and Amazon's policy is that one is

Who exactly is the point being made to? The travelers who are missing their flights? The difference between the TSA policy and Amazon's policy is that one is mandated and the other is self imposed. The TSA is tasked with protecting people and has to demonstrate that it's doing that regardless of how effective it is. Amazon's policy is self serving to protect itself from abuse. So while screwing people in both cases is a horrible thing to do, the former is less likely to affect change than the later.

koolba 10y ago
> Who exactly is the point being made to? The travelers who are missing their flights? Yes them. Because there's no better way to bring the problem to light then to make people experience it first hand. The more people in line, the more people impacted, the further the message spreads.
- daveheq 10y ago
  So you're adding inconvenience in an effort to reduce security for your own convenience; extra security is a little different than a seller account getting suspended, and I'm not willing to sacrifice my security for your convenience.
  - khedoros1 10y ago
    I disagree with koolba's methods (I think they're a galling combination of ineffectual and sociopathic), but I also don't believe that the TSA helps much with security.
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      The TSA gives the perception of security to the masses, it doesn't actually provide it. Ideally what you want is for people to be secure and feel it. Thus far we've only managed to do one or the other.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  So your only opposition to the TSA Security Checkpoints is that they're too slow for you? Or that a rogue agent in the queue can make people miss their flights or cause undue stress upon other travelers? That's all you're really calling to light. The quick fix for that is the introduction of additional agents who pull stragglers from the line and detain them until they miss their flights. If you're hoping that slowing down lines will some how make people feel that the checkpoints are too invasive or violate civil liberties then you're very very mistaken. People might side with you but they won't rally around your cause and as soon as their concerns are met they will vanish and you'll be back where you started.
- kefka 10y ago
  Do you honestly think that any of us has any impact on federal law? I am a speck, a nothing, nada, zilch. When it comes to federal decision-making. I am a non-entity. I despise the TSA. I utterly hate the fact that the Patriot act was passed in both House and Senate without so much as a sneeze for a discussion. But what can I do? That's right; sign some worthless petition on change.org lol... change. I haven't believe in that "phrase since mid-2009 when it was apparent that change wasn't going to happen, especially the dems lost their supermajority. Edit; And there I go.... Politics.

koolba 10y ago

> Who exactly is the point being made to? The travelers who are missing their flights? Yes them. Because there's no better way to bring the problem to light then to make people experience it first hand. The more people in line, the more people impacted, the further the message spreads.

daveheq 10y ago
So you're adding inconvenience in an effort to reduce security for your own convenience; extra security is a little different than a seller account getting suspended, and I'm not willing to sacrifice my security for your convenience.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  I disagree with koolba's methods (I think they're a galling combination of ineffectual and sociopathic), but I also don't believe that the TSA helps much with security.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    The TSA gives the perception of security to the masses, it doesn't actually provide it. Ideally what you want is for people to be secure and feel it. Thus far we've only managed to do one or the other.
cptskippy 10y ago
So your only opposition to the TSA Security Checkpoints is that they're too slow for you? Or that a rogue agent in the queue can make people miss their flights or cause undue stress upon other travelers? That's all you're really calling to light. The quick fix for that is the introduction of additional agents who pull stragglers from the line and detain them until they miss their flights. If you're hoping that slowing down lines will some how make people feel that the checkpoints are too invasive or violate civil liberties then you're very very mistaken. People might side with you but they won't rally around your cause and as soon as their concerns are met they will vanish and you'll be back where you started.
kefka 10y ago
Do you honestly think that any of us has any impact on federal law? I am a speck, a nothing, nada, zilch. When it comes to federal decision-making. I am a non-entity. I despise the TSA. I utterly hate the fact that the Patriot act was passed in both House and Senate without so much as a sneeze for a discussion. But what can I do? That's right; sign some worthless petition on change.org lol... change. I haven't believe in that "phrase since mid-2009 when it was apparent that change wasn't going to happen, especially the dems lost their supermajority. Edit; And there I go.... Politics.