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The fact that you think there is any such thing as "mere" politics is exactly the problem. ...i'm sure i'm going to have negative karma by the end of this week

The fact that you think there is any such thing as "mere" politics is exactly the problem. ...i'm sure i'm going to have negative karma by the end of this week, but oh well.

grzm 10y ago
Just a heads-up, commenting on down voting is generally considered bad form (and called out specifically in the guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). It's not unusual to be down-voted just for making such comments. As I understand it, get enough negative karma and you're effectively banned.
- adrienne 10y ago
  Yeah, i wasn't saying that i expect to get downvoted for that specific comment, but i take your point that that's how it came across. That's what i understand too, about karma. shrug The HN community has made abundantly clear, over and over, that people like me aren't actually welcome here.
  - Hydraulix989 10y ago
    > The HN community has made abundantly clear, over and over, that people like me aren't actually welcome here. Hm, I'm not sure of the specifics, but wow, this got real pretty quickly.
  - ionised 10y ago
    People like you?
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  Eh, I'm not too fazed by it, @adrienne, it's a fair point even if it's an unpopular one.
  - adrienne 10y ago
    Looks like you edited this as i was typing, but: I almost never comment, though, and when i do it's usually angry (on account of how horrified and unwelcome i feel basically every time i happen to read past the front page). So grzm has no particular reason to realize that i'm a longer-time user than they are. I certainly don't have anything resembling regular usage patterns. I did parse it as an attempt to be genuinely helpful, whether or not that was the actual intent.
    - grzm 10y ago
      To be fair, I checked your profile. I know you've had an account for a while but you don't comment very often. And yeah, I am trying to be helpful (and welcoming, for what it's worth :)
  - grzm 10y ago
    As for you, @grzm, you've been on here for only 60 days, and you're already acting holier-than-thou to someone who has been a veteran HN member for over 5 years now. Note: parent comment was edited while I was submitting. I've engaged with a lot of users in the admittedly short time I've been on HN, and have tried very hard to be respectful, civil, and constructive in each of those interactions. If something is coming off as holier-than-thou, that's definitely not my intent. If you'd point them out to me, and suggest a better way of interacting, please do. One of the aspects of HN that particularly appeals to me is that there is the opportunity to have discussions based on their merits, rather than status or seniority. My comment to 'adrienne was sincere, and it looks like she received it in the spirit it was intended. I've seen a lot of users complain about being down-voted and then be shocked when they're down-voted some more. I'd rather 'adrienne avoid that (as I've done for other users) than get down-voted.
    - adrienne 10y ago
      I do understand that "I'm gonna get downvoted for this opinion, but..." is a form of well-poisoning. It was genuinely not my intention, but I completely understand how what i said looks like that pattern, and that's my own fault.

The fact that you think there is any such thing as "mere" politics is exactly the problem. ...i'm sure i'm going to have negative karma by the end of this week, but oh well.

grzm 10y ago

Just a heads-up, commenting on down voting is generally considered bad form (and called out specifically in the guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). It's not unusual to be down-voted just for making such comments. As I understand it, get enough negative karma and you're effectively banned.

adrienne 10y ago
Yeah, i wasn't saying that i expect to get downvoted for that specific comment, but i take your point that that's how it came across. That's what i understand too, about karma. shrug The HN community has made abundantly clear, over and over, that people like me aren't actually welcome here.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  > The HN community has made abundantly clear, over and over, that people like me aren't actually welcome here. Hm, I'm not sure of the specifics, but wow, this got real pretty quickly.
- ionised 10y ago
  People like you?
Hydraulix989 10y ago
Eh, I'm not too fazed by it, @adrienne, it's a fair point even if it's an unpopular one.
- adrienne 10y ago
  Looks like you edited this as i was typing, but: I almost never comment, though, and when i do it's usually angry (on account of how horrified and unwelcome i feel basically every time i happen to read past the front page). So grzm has no particular reason to realize that i'm a longer-time user than they are. I certainly don't have anything resembling regular usage patterns. I did parse it as an attempt to be genuinely helpful, whether or not that was the actual intent.
  - grzm 10y ago
    To be fair, I checked your profile. I know you've had an account for a while but you don't comment very often. And yeah, I am trying to be helpful (and welcoming, for what it's worth :)
- grzm 10y ago
  As for you, @grzm, you've been on here for only 60 days, and you're already acting holier-than-thou to someone who has been a veteran HN member for over 5 years now. Note: parent comment was edited while I was submitting. I've engaged with a lot of users in the admittedly short time I've been on HN, and have tried very hard to be respectful, civil, and constructive in each of those interactions. If something is coming off as holier-than-thou, that's definitely not my intent. If you'd point them out to me, and suggest a better way of interacting, please do. One of the aspects of HN that particularly appeals to me is that there is the opportunity to have discussions based on their merits, rather than status or seniority. My comment to 'adrienne was sincere, and it looks like she received it in the spirit it was intended. I've seen a lot of users complain about being down-voted and then be shocked when they're down-voted some more. I'd rather 'adrienne avoid that (as I've done for other users) than get down-voted.
  - adrienne 10y ago
    I do understand that "I'm gonna get downvoted for this opinion, but..." is a form of well-poisoning. It was genuinely not my intention, but I completely understand how what i said looks like that pattern, and that's my own fault.