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forth? :) though it's a bid of a different mindset. Thinking Forth is great book ( not just in terms of forth ) which really sells the idea.

by keithnz 10y ago

bsder 10y ago
I wish people would quit promulgating Forth. Sorry, but it is not a production language. It is a puzzle language. Many things which are straightforward in even the worst programming language are a brain teaser to figure out how to organize in the "Forth Way(tm)". Scheme and Lua come closest to my ideal. However, I just can't deal with 1-based indexing from Lua. Sorry. Too many things talk to C API's. Scheme is okay, but almost none of them are truly small anymore. Even the ones like picobit (https://github.com/stamourv/picobit https://github.com/stamourv/picobit) require quite some grunty support from a desktop machine outside the processor.
- macintux 10y ago
  Shame no one told NASA what a useless language Forth is. http://web.archive.org/web/20101024223709/http://forth.gsfc.nasa.gov/ http://web.archive.org/web/20101024223709/http://forth.gsfc....
  - int_19h 10y ago
    I would be very interested to hear from someone using Forth in production (especially for something like the above link) on their personal experience wrt its advantages compared to other available options.
    - keithnz 10y ago
      one of my very first jobs we had products for monitoring underground petrol tanks and petrol (gas, even though it's not a gas ;-) ) pumps. All written in forth, while a bit obscure, actually was quite cool. as an aside, The guy who was primarily responsible for that now has a FRP library ( http://sodium.nz/ http://sodium.nz/ ) and written a book on FRP using petrol pumps as an example
  - hood_syntax 10y ago
    It was also used for some of the drivers of a probe in the Rosetta mission (I think, at the very least it was a probe made by the ESA)

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forth? :) though it's a bid of a different mindset. Thinking Forth is great book ( not just in terms of forth ) which really sells the idea.

by keithnz 10y ago

forth? :) though it's a bid of a different mindset. Thinking Forth is great book ( not just in terms of forth ) which really sells the idea.

bsder 10y ago
I wish people would quit promulgating Forth. Sorry, but it is not a production language. It is a puzzle language. Many things which are straightforward in even the worst programming language are a brain teaser to figure out how to organize in the "Forth Way(tm)". Scheme and Lua come closest to my ideal. However, I just can't deal with 1-based indexing from Lua. Sorry. Too many things talk to C API's. Scheme is okay, but almost none of them are truly small anymore. Even the ones like picobit (https://github.com/stamourv/picobit https://github.com/stamourv/picobit) require quite some grunty support from a desktop machine outside the processor.
- macintux 10y ago
  Shame no one told NASA what a useless language Forth is. http://web.archive.org/web/20101024223709/http://forth.gsfc.nasa.gov/ http://web.archive.org/web/20101024223709/http://forth.gsfc....
  - int_19h 10y ago
    I would be very interested to hear from someone using Forth in production (especially for something like the above link) on their personal experience wrt its advantages compared to other available options.
    - keithnz 10y ago
      one of my very first jobs we had products for monitoring underground petrol tanks and petrol (gas, even though it's not a gas ;-) ) pumps. All written in forth, while a bit obscure, actually was quite cool. as an aside, The guy who was primarily responsible for that now has a FRP library ( http://sodium.nz/ http://sodium.nz/ ) and written a book on FRP using petrol pumps as an example
  - hood_syntax 10y ago
    It was also used for some of the drivers of a probe in the Rosetta mission (I think, at the very least it was a probe made by the ESA)