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Is it a dark pattern, though? You're respecting the user's wishes to not use that permission (ignoring for the moment that you couldn't use it even if you wante

by st3v3r 10y ago

Is it a dark pattern, though? You're respecting the user's wishes to not use that permission (ignoring for the moment that you couldn't use it even if you wanted to).

Hydraulix989 10y ago
Yes, permission requests should only show up at most once, per Apple, so it is definitely gray area. Not to mention, the pre permission dialog is usually deceptively similar to the Apple one.
- illumin8 10y ago
  It's not a grey area, it's a dark pattern, and you're basically intentionally breaking Apple's app policies, and screwing your users over just to get more permissions than you would get if you followed the rules. Fuck you.
  - Hydraulix989 10y ago
    No need to throw shade without knowing specifics.
    - tremon 10y ago
      You already threw shade when you declared yourself "guilty", and you readily admit it is against Apple's policies.
      - Hydraulix989 10y ago
        That's simply not true. Moreover, there are some people with pretty strong arguments who do not even THINK this should be considered a dark pattern. However, it doesn't seem like you are interested in furthering this discussion. Would you have rather I not posted at all? There are many YC companies listed on this Dark Patterns site, and their founders definitely frequent this form. So far everyone else has been completely mum. Given that you are on YC's community web site, may I suggest using some tact?
- mikeash 10y ago
  I really don't see a problem with it. Apple's default UI is not great, and it can be highly confusing if the user doesn't know why the app is suddenly asking for access to their location or photos or whatever. By explaining and asking first, you smooth that over. There's no deception or trickery, it's just a matter of not surprising users. (And to be clear, I've never built one of these extra permission prompts, so I'm saying this purely from the perspective of a user.)

by st3v3r 10y ago

Is it a dark pattern, though? You're respecting the user's wishes to not use that permission (ignoring for the moment that you couldn't use it even if you wanted to).

Hydraulix989 10y ago

Yes, permission requests should only show up at most once, per Apple, so it is definitely gray area. Not to mention, the pre permission dialog is usually deceptively similar to the Apple one.

illumin8 10y ago
It's not a grey area, it's a dark pattern, and you're basically intentionally breaking Apple's app policies, and screwing your users over just to get more permissions than you would get if you followed the rules. Fuck you.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  No need to throw shade without knowing specifics.
  - tremon 10y ago
    You already threw shade when you declared yourself "guilty", and you readily admit it is against Apple's policies.
    - Hydraulix989 10y ago
      That's simply not true. Moreover, there are some people with pretty strong arguments who do not even THINK this should be considered a dark pattern. However, it doesn't seem like you are interested in furthering this discussion. Would you have rather I not posted at all? There are many YC companies listed on this Dark Patterns site, and their founders definitely frequent this form. So far everyone else has been completely mum. Given that you are on YC's community web site, may I suggest using some tact?
mikeash 10y ago
I really don't see a problem with it. Apple's default UI is not great, and it can be highly confusing if the user doesn't know why the app is suddenly asking for access to their location or photos or whatever. By explaining and asking first, you smooth that over. There's no deception or trickery, it's just a matter of not surprising users. (And to be clear, I've never built one of these extra permission prompts, so I'm saying this purely from the perspective of a user.)