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One thing I don't understand is how a brain-state can ever be considered abnormal. It can be considered disadvantageous, or advantageous in some aspects only, b

One thing I don't understand is how a brain-state can ever be considered abnormal. It can be considered disadvantageous, or advantageous in some aspects only, but in no way be "normal". What are the normal facial features?

RCortex 10y ago
It's not a matter of abnormal vs normal, it's a matter of dysfunctional versus functional in various situations. It's also a matter of the brain itself inhibiting healthy functioning of the entire body (in the case of depression and similar illnesses) The mind is the body, most especially the brain.
- wu-ikkyu 10y ago
  What if the situation/environment the person is in is disfunctional? Wouldn't a "functional" mind within a "dysfunctional" environment purposefully "inhibit healthy functioning of the entire body" as a warning sign that a new environment is needed?
  - mcguire 10y ago
    No. No matter what the state of the environment, a mental illness is not going to improve the situation, if only because it limits the ability to change the environment. In fact, that is the definition of mental illness: it causes problems in dealing with life. A "healthy" mind in a dysfunctional environment can produce physical symptoms that mimic mental illness---anxiety for example---which makes diagnosis difficult, and is the root of the difference between the blues and clinical depression.
    - wu-ikkyu 10y ago
      >A "healthy" mind in a dysfunctional environment can produce physical symptoms that mimic mental illness Im not sure I understand. When you say "mimic mental illness", are you saying that environmental factors cannot cause a "healthy" mind to get a "real" mental illness?
      - mcguire 10y ago
        I have no solid data on that and I am not a mental health practitioner in any sense. But to my mind, no. The problems of a healthy mind in an unhealthy environment are easy to solve: change the environment and the problem goes away. On the other hand, problems such as my depression get only temporary relief from changing the environment; the only long term relief has been drug treatment.
SolaceQuantum 10y ago
Normal facial features are a nose with two nostrils that can intake air in a specific way, a mouth with lips and a palate of a certain shape, etc. mental illness isn't a mole on the cheek, it's a cleft palate that's prevents swallowing normal food.
- thevardanian 10y ago
  Mental illness is such a broad category that I'm not invalidating all mental problems. Clearly Schizophrenia is real and serious condition. However, even with that said, I think the view on schizophrenia, and mental illness that the general society has is very toxic, produces conflict, and makes an otherwise benign issue larger than it necessarily is. Furthermore not all mental conditions are illnesses.
  - mcguire 10y ago
    "Many people have mental health concerns from time to time. But a mental health concern becomes a mental illness when ongoing signs and symptoms cause frequent stress and affect your ability to function." http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness/basics/definition/con-20033813 http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness... "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness or psychiatric disorder, is a [...] behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life. Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder
hash-set 10y ago
I have a family member who struggles with OCD. Trust me, it isn't "normal."

RCortex 10y ago

It's not a matter of abnormal vs normal, it's a matter of dysfunctional versus functional in various situations. It's also a matter of the brain itself inhibiting healthy functioning of the entire body (in the case of depression and similar illnesses) The mind is the body, most especially the brain.

wu-ikkyu 10y ago
What if the situation/environment the person is in is disfunctional? Wouldn't a "functional" mind within a "dysfunctional" environment purposefully "inhibit healthy functioning of the entire body" as a warning sign that a new environment is needed?
- mcguire 10y ago
  No. No matter what the state of the environment, a mental illness is not going to improve the situation, if only because it limits the ability to change the environment. In fact, that is the definition of mental illness: it causes problems in dealing with life. A "healthy" mind in a dysfunctional environment can produce physical symptoms that mimic mental illness---anxiety for example---which makes diagnosis difficult, and is the root of the difference between the blues and clinical depression.
  - wu-ikkyu 10y ago
    >A "healthy" mind in a dysfunctional environment can produce physical symptoms that mimic mental illness Im not sure I understand. When you say "mimic mental illness", are you saying that environmental factors cannot cause a "healthy" mind to get a "real" mental illness?
    - mcguire 10y ago
      I have no solid data on that and I am not a mental health practitioner in any sense. But to my mind, no. The problems of a healthy mind in an unhealthy environment are easy to solve: change the environment and the problem goes away. On the other hand, problems such as my depression get only temporary relief from changing the environment; the only long term relief has been drug treatment.

SolaceQuantum 10y ago

Normal facial features are a nose with two nostrils that can intake air in a specific way, a mouth with lips and a palate of a certain shape, etc. mental illness isn't a mole on the cheek, it's a cleft palate that's prevents swallowing normal food.

thevardanian 10y ago
Mental illness is such a broad category that I'm not invalidating all mental problems. Clearly Schizophrenia is real and serious condition. However, even with that said, I think the view on schizophrenia, and mental illness that the general society has is very toxic, produces conflict, and makes an otherwise benign issue larger than it necessarily is. Furthermore not all mental conditions are illnesses.
- mcguire 10y ago
  "Many people have mental health concerns from time to time. But a mental health concern becomes a mental illness when ongoing signs and symptoms cause frequent stress and affect your ability to function." http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness/basics/definition/con-20033813 http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness... "A mental disorder, also called a mental illness or psychiatric disorder, is a [...] behavioral or mental pattern that may cause suffering or a poor ability to function in life. Such features may be persistent, relapsing and remitting, or occur as a single episode. Many disorders have been described, with signs and symptoms that vary widely between specific disorders." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_disorder

hash-set 10y ago

I have a family member who struggles with OCD. Trust me, it isn't "normal."