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For Solar it obviously depends on a lot of factors (where you put them, which technology, where it is produced), but it's in the range of 0-4 years, depending o

by hannob 10y ago

For Solar it obviously depends on a lot of factors (where you put them, which technology, where it is produced), but it's in the range of 0-4 years, depending on which study you look at. Common lifetime is ~20-30 years. See e.g. https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/de/downloads/pdf-files/aktuelles/photovoltaics-report-in-englischer-sprache.pdf https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/de/downloads/pdf-files/aktuell... http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35489.pdf http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35489.pdf http://www.volker-quaschning.de/datserv/kev/index.php http://www.volker-quaschning.de/datserv/kev/index.php

tgb 10y ago
Thanks, I was really worried recently that it was still much worse than that but didn't have the numbers. Glad to see great progress is being made there.
revelation 10y ago
Feels like I've been quoted a 20-30 years lifetime for solar panels for 10 years straight now. They degrade, but they don't break. Do we have more data now? Because I think solar panels will easily do 50 years with >50% of original output.
- ubercore 10y ago
  The story I got when my panels were installed is that they don't know because they haven't been around long enough. Efficiency constantly improves, and panels deteriorate, but the company installing mine hasn't really seen an effectively end-of-life'd panel yet.
- philipkglass 10y ago
  There's a mixture of degradation mechanisms at work. Some of them, like light induced degradation to the actual cells, can reduce output but can't really destroy the system. Other mechanisms really do "break" the module, e.g. backsheet delamination, accidental or malicious breaking of cover glass, or extended partial shading that leads to thermal runaway that can melt solder and/or put holes in the backsheet. As soldered connections age, weaken, and fail they can lead to thermal runaways that destroy neighboring cells too. I believe that there are already some panels in the field that can last 50 years, and that it will become more common in the future, but 20-30 years is the safe, evidence-backed estimate for now.

by hannob 10y ago

tgb 10y ago

Thanks, I was really worried recently that it was still much worse than that but didn't have the numbers. Glad to see great progress is being made there.

revelation 10y ago

Feels like I've been quoted a 20-30 years lifetime for solar panels for 10 years straight now. They degrade, but they don't break. Do we have more data now? Because I think solar panels will easily do 50 years with >50% of original output.

ubercore 10y ago
The story I got when my panels were installed is that they don't know because they haven't been around long enough. Efficiency constantly improves, and panels deteriorate, but the company installing mine hasn't really seen an effectively end-of-life'd panel yet.
philipkglass 10y ago
There's a mixture of degradation mechanisms at work. Some of them, like light induced degradation to the actual cells, can reduce output but can't really destroy the system. Other mechanisms really do "break" the module, e.g. backsheet delamination, accidental or malicious breaking of cover glass, or extended partial shading that leads to thermal runaway that can melt solder and/or put holes in the backsheet. As soldered connections age, weaken, and fail they can lead to thermal runaways that destroy neighboring cells too. I believe that there are already some panels in the field that can last 50 years, and that it will become more common in the future, but 20-30 years is the safe, evidence-backed estimate for now.