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I have a thunderbolt monitor that I bought 1 month before this was released. With that I only plug in the power and thunderbolt cable (thunderbolt disk and USB

I have a thunderbolt monitor that I bought 1 month before this was released. With that I only plug in the power and thunderbolt cable (thunderbolt disk and USB keyboard and mouse and Ethernet are on the monitor). When I travel I need the HDMI for presentation. I tried the new keyboard (my friend has one). Hate it. In my family we have 3 iPhones, 4 iPads, MacBook and MacBook Pro. Heck we still have 2 iPods connected in the car. I have 2 old time capsules (turned off now). I will be looking at a Windows or Linux laptop to replace my MacBook Pro when it dies. Apple, your new MacBook Pro is pushing an all Apple house out of your eco system. Once I change the laptop, maybe I should look at an android phone?

nkw 10y ago
> Once I change the laptop, maybe I should look at an android phone? FWIW, I run a MacPro, MacBookPro, family has iPhones/iPads, office runs on iMacs/MacBookPros. Owned every iPhone generation since the first, and I switched to a Pixel XL last week. My experience has been very pleasant. It probably doesn't hurt that software/services wise I'm much deeper into Google's ecosystem than Apple's. I don't find Siri useful, iCloud is a mess that I only have for holding phone backups and a @mac.com email address I never use. I pay for G Suite, Google Music and Dropbox rather than the equivalent Apple services, so maybe it was a little easier than it would be for others. I haven't decided where to go after my mid-2015 MBP is to be replaced. I hope there are better options by then.
- myrandomcomment 10y ago
  I tried an android back around the Galaxy Note 2 time frame and disliked it immensely. The inconsistency of the interface was the biggest issue (yes I put stock on the phone). I have played with some of the newer phones on the newer releases and it seems to be much better. Still not as clean as IOS but getting there. We use have a ton of things in iTunes but that really does not matter much as the songs are downloaded and other systems will play them now. The biggest issue I have is I have used OS X since the Alpha of NEXT on a dual 533 PPC G4. I used NEXT and Solaris before that. I really do hate Windows. I have 2 Intel Compute keys for the TVs at home and Windows 10 is a pain (run Kodi, and only Kodi on the system). The idea of using it on a laptop everyday fills me with fear. As my company does everything in Google Docs, a Linux laptop seems like the answer. I want something no bigger then the MacBook13 with 32GB of RAM and solid keyboard. Anyone have a recommendation?
  - myrandomcomment 10y ago
    Funny enough on the Window side before anyone grips - I got an MCSE back when it was on NT 3.51. I know Window well. I just hate it.
extra88 10y ago
> I have a thunderbolt monitor that I bought 1 month before this was released. I would expect such an obvious technophile to have greater awareness of what's going on in Apple products. The Thunderbolt Display hadn't been updated since its introduction in 2011 and was discontinued in June, seems like a risky purchase. Note you can use a Thunderbolt Display with MacBook Pros with USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports: "For Mac models with Thunderbolt 3, you can use a use a Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter to connect to Thunderbolt devices like displays and external disks." However, "Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter doesn't support connections to Mini DisplayPort displays" (emphasis added). [0] > I need the HDMI for presentation What's so unacceptable about using an adapter? Did you boycott MacBook Pros until they added an HDMI port on their Mid 2012 models? No MacBook Pro ever had a built-in VGA port, the previous (and still pretty common) standard for connecting to projectors and displays in rooms (vs. a monitor on a desk). > I tried the new keyboard (my friend has one). Hate it. I have concerns (mine hasn't arrived yet) but I also know I already use an external keyboard far more often than the built-in one. I know keyboard feel is something people get very attached to and I can sort of understand why that could be sufficient to drive someone to a platform change. > Apple, your new MacBook Pro is pushing an all Apple house out of your eco system. I don't understand why, your other Apple stuff can happily coexist a non-Apple laptop. If Apple only sold iPhones and iPads to Mac owners, they'd be a much poorer company. USB-C is a new standard, Google has already started using it on Chromebooks and Android phones. The USB-C connector type has been certified for use as an HDMI connector. It's going to be everywhere, Apple's just ahead of the pack, similar to when it adopted the original USB on the original iMac. I wish Apple used USB-C on the iPhone 7 but I fear they never will because it's thicker than Lightning (and USB Mini) and they're obsessed with thinness. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204154 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204154
- myrandomcomment 10y ago
  I in no way said I bought an Apple Thunderbolt Display. The fact is I purchased a LG and paid more for it because of the single connection. As to the HDMI I own about 20 display port to VGA because I would forget to bring the adapter and have to buy a new one (100k miles per year, 10 years 3 startups - and yes, I did have a big win - I just like building new stuff). Having the HDMI made that a non-issue. Now I am back to dang, did I remember the adapter?!?!?! The point about co-existence is pretty simple, now that I am looking beyond the walled garden I am and not hard locked it allows me to consider other replacements. I am a hard core engineer that made the jump to the sales and marketing side and lesson number one is never ever ever allow your competition a foot hole, as they will land, grab and expand. Push me off the MacBook Pro (Pro is the key word here) and you have done exactly that. I can deal with the USB-C to be honest - I will buy a dock that does the Thnderbolt but the HDMI and the keyboard are just not well reasoned.

nkw 10y ago

> Once I change the laptop, maybe I should look at an android phone? FWIW, I run a MacPro, MacBookPro, family has iPhones/iPads, office runs on iMacs/MacBookPros. Owned every iPhone generation since the first, and I switched to a Pixel XL last week. My experience has been very pleasant. It probably doesn't hurt that software/services wise I'm much deeper into Google's ecosystem than Apple's. I don't find Siri useful, iCloud is a mess that I only have for holding phone backups and a @mac.com email address I never use. I pay for G Suite, Google Music and Dropbox rather than the equivalent Apple services, so maybe it was a little easier than it would be for others. I haven't decided where to go after my mid-2015 MBP is to be replaced. I hope there are better options by then.

myrandomcomment 10y ago
I tried an android back around the Galaxy Note 2 time frame and disliked it immensely. The inconsistency of the interface was the biggest issue (yes I put stock on the phone). I have played with some of the newer phones on the newer releases and it seems to be much better. Still not as clean as IOS but getting there. We use have a ton of things in iTunes but that really does not matter much as the songs are downloaded and other systems will play them now. The biggest issue I have is I have used OS X since the Alpha of NEXT on a dual 533 PPC G4. I used NEXT and Solaris before that. I really do hate Windows. I have 2 Intel Compute keys for the TVs at home and Windows 10 is a pain (run Kodi, and only Kodi on the system). The idea of using it on a laptop everyday fills me with fear. As my company does everything in Google Docs, a Linux laptop seems like the answer. I want something no bigger then the MacBook13 with 32GB of RAM and solid keyboard. Anyone have a recommendation?
- myrandomcomment 10y ago
  Funny enough on the Window side before anyone grips - I got an MCSE back when it was on NT 3.51. I know Window well. I just hate it.

extra88 10y ago

> I have a thunderbolt monitor that I bought 1 month before this was released. I would expect such an obvious technophile to have greater awareness of what's going on in Apple products. The Thunderbolt Display hadn't been updated since its introduction in 2011 and was discontinued in June, seems like a risky purchase. Note you can use a Thunderbolt Display with MacBook Pros with USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 ports: "For Mac models with Thunderbolt 3, you can use a use a Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter to connect to Thunderbolt devices like displays and external disks." However, "Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter doesn't support connections to Mini DisplayPort displays" (emphasis added). [0] > I need the HDMI for presentation What's so unacceptable about using an adapter? Did you boycott MacBook Pros until they added an HDMI port on their Mid 2012 models? No MacBook Pro ever had a built-in VGA port, the previous (and still pretty common) standard for connecting to projectors and displays in rooms (vs. a monitor on a desk). > I tried the new keyboard (my friend has one). Hate it. I have concerns (mine hasn't arrived yet) but I also know I already use an external keyboard far more often than the built-in one. I know keyboard feel is something people get very attached to and I can sort of understand why that could be sufficient to drive someone to a platform change. > Apple, your new MacBook Pro is pushing an all Apple house out of your eco system. I don't understand why, your other Apple stuff can happily coexist a non-Apple laptop. If Apple only sold iPhones and iPads to Mac owners, they'd be a much poorer company. USB-C is a new standard, Google has already started using it on Chromebooks and Android phones. The USB-C connector type has been certified for use as an HDMI connector. It's going to be everywhere, Apple's just ahead of the pack, similar to when it adopted the original USB on the original iMac. I wish Apple used USB-C on the iPhone 7 but I fear they never will because it's thicker than Lightning (and USB Mini) and they're obsessed with thinness. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204154 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204154

myrandomcomment 10y ago
I in no way said I bought an Apple Thunderbolt Display. The fact is I purchased a LG and paid more for it because of the single connection. As to the HDMI I own about 20 display port to VGA because I would forget to bring the adapter and have to buy a new one (100k miles per year, 10 years 3 startups - and yes, I did have a big win - I just like building new stuff). Having the HDMI made that a non-issue. Now I am back to dang, did I remember the adapter?!?!?! The point about co-existence is pretty simple, now that I am looking beyond the walled garden I am and not hard locked it allows me to consider other replacements. I am a hard core engineer that made the jump to the sales and marketing side and lesson number one is never ever ever allow your competition a foot hole, as they will land, grab and expand. Push me off the MacBook Pro (Pro is the key word here) and you have done exactly that. I can deal with the USB-C to be honest - I will buy a dock that does the Thnderbolt but the HDMI and the keyboard are just not well reasoned.