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> When I was in Paris the only people I met were those majoring in Finance, the amount of computer programmers or engineers at the universities were extremely l
by stymaar 10y ago
> When I was in Paris the only people I met were those majoring in Finance, the amount of computer programmers or engineers at the universities were extremely low. Why? Because the jobs just aren't there. Paris is and has always been a hub for Money.
Working as a software engineer in Paris, and having most of my friends doing the same, I think your were juste living in a bubble.
Furthemore, french people don't go to university to study engineering, they go to engineering schools, which are dedicated structures. Some are public, generalist, and really famous (École Polytechnique where Fabrice Bellard comes from, École Centrale where VLC was created, École des Mines) but there are also a lot of smaller private and specialized school (Epitech, Efrei, Epita or “42” for computer sciences for instance).
In France, people mostly go to university to study law, medicine, social sciences or humanities.
- walshemj 10y agoso Engineering degrees are second class institutions then ?
- nfc 10y agoIn fact it's university that is seen as second tier with respect to engineering schools except for a few majors like medicine and law. (I'm not french but have lived in France a few years)
- user5994461 10y agoYes. The french have had dedicated engineering schools for a while, which are good, and most are very cheap (state sponsored). There are many universities and they cover all topics (also state sponsored). Including law, finance, engineering, medicine, psychology, social sciences... Some stuff (law/medicine) can only be done through a university (they're the only one to get the state-certificate to exercise the job). When it comes to engineering, universities offer it but the degrees are considered "shit-tier". Note: They are not that bad per-se. They just get no considerations for old cultural reasons.
- laurentoget 10y agoDefinitely the other way around. Most french CEOs come from those engineering schools.
- pmtarantino 10y agoHi, how is the scene for software engineers in Paris? I am getting a master degree in Computer Science soon (I hope) and I would love to relocate to Europe, mainly something like Madrid, Paris or London. How hard is to get a job in Paris? How is the payment? Is it good to have a good life or barely to rent a small apt? Thank you.
- user5994461 10y agoI'll make it short and to the point: Do NOT ever relocate to Paris. This is a terrible place for tech workers.
- onli 10y agoIt's a terrible place to live in general. If not being absolutely in love with the city. I got a lot of interesting offers in Berlin, for what it's worth. And I expect that Berlin is a lot more agreeable to live in.
- pron 10y agoCan you elaborate?
- user5994461 10y agoPay is shit. I have friends who make more in all other countries of Europe (Austria, Germany, Poland) and that's not even considering the costs of living (that is inferior to Paris). You will have huge trouble because you don't speak French. You will have huge trouble for all administrative stuff. Like, it's hell to rent a flat even if you could pay 12 months in advance, because there isn't any AND the agencies will reject you because you don't have a history in France nor French parents with income to "vouch" for you. Most importantly. There are no good jobs. The startup ecosystem is a joke and there is no Google/Facebook/Apple/Uber/AirBnb to work for. And finally, the quality of living is mediocre, at best.
- stymaar 10y ago
- tarsinge 10y agoHere is more context on that : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandes_%C3%A9coles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandes_%C3%A9coles E.g. for Polytechnique : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_alumni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_%C3%89cole_Polytechniq...