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There is considerable overlap between the groups. I find your inability to acknowledge that fact toxic and a hurdle to honest dialogue.

Chris2048 10y ago
Prove it. You label me "toxic" and dishonest, but you want me to just accept your assumptions? My "honest" dialogue is based on verifiable facts, not speculative slander.
ryanlol 10y ago
This claim is so utterly ridiculous at it's face. How many white nationalists are there? How many conservatives are there?
- chillwaves 10y ago
  So you are saying because A is a subset of B, then I cannot claim overlap? Because you refuse to acknowledge the reality of racial identity politics? I guess when the White Nationalists meet in DC to do their Sig Heil in support of Trump (this literally happened) or vandalize churches in DC (this literally happened) we can all pretend that the dialogue attacking minorities is unrelated to white nationalism? That sites like Breitbart who push these racially charged stories can wash their hands while they collect ad revenue from stirring up racial violence? I disagree.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    > dialogue attacking minorities is unrelated to white nationalism? Why lump an explicitly extreme group in with one that isn't so? Would you do the same with Muslims and Muslim extremists? > sites like Breitbart who push these racially charged stories A few examples? The daily mail, yes, but what of Breitbart in particular?
CmdrSprinkles 10y ago
On a completely unrelated note: While I do feel that political discussion is a necessity for any site that claims to be about cutting edge technology and ideas, there are also times you just should not engage. A good rule of thumb is that if a post is immediately antagonistic (and in all fairness, yours kind of was too) or ignores everything in the interest of isolating one phrase that MIGHT be disputable, it isn't. Which is kind of why I think this entire "detox", much like just about every detox that is about getting rid of the antioxidants or whatever the hell people go to spas for, is a load of bull. The problem isn't the topic, it is how people discuss it. And people discuss plenty of topics in overly emotional and pedantic ways. Often times while extolling their own intelligence in a way that makes you REALLY glad they aren't in the same room as you (HN may be even worse than reddit on that last point). Respond to posts that can have a discussion. Ignore the ones that can't.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > ignores everything in the interest of isolating one phrase Why? If it's a valid criticism, why not. Sure, reading into things that take the thread into some tangent is bad; but otherwise, a call for clarification, even if nit-picking, is hard to judge objectively. > The problem isn't the topic, it is how people discuss it I agree, but only through objective and explicit guidelines can this be fixed. > Ignore the ones that can't. What I dislike more than a topic that is uninteresting to me, is people who also find it uninteresting, and yet comment on the fact. I don't dislike HN posts about apple, because I never read those posts, and it's usually obvious from the title what they are about.
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- dang 10y ago
  > The problem isn't the topic, it is how people discuss it. Of course. Yet there are obvious correlations to certain topics, and there might be a connection between the "how people discuss it" and the capacity to take a week off from it once in a while.

Chris2048 10y ago

Prove it. You label me "toxic" and dishonest, but you want me to just accept your assumptions? My "honest" dialogue is based on verifiable facts, not speculative slander.

ryanlol 10y ago

This claim is so utterly ridiculous at it's face. How many white nationalists are there? How many conservatives are there?

chillwaves 10y ago
So you are saying because A is a subset of B, then I cannot claim overlap? Because you refuse to acknowledge the reality of racial identity politics? I guess when the White Nationalists meet in DC to do their Sig Heil in support of Trump (this literally happened) or vandalize churches in DC (this literally happened) we can all pretend that the dialogue attacking minorities is unrelated to white nationalism? That sites like Breitbart who push these racially charged stories can wash their hands while they collect ad revenue from stirring up racial violence? I disagree.
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > dialogue attacking minorities is unrelated to white nationalism? Why lump an explicitly extreme group in with one that isn't so? Would you do the same with Muslims and Muslim extremists? > sites like Breitbart who push these racially charged stories A few examples? The daily mail, yes, but what of Breitbart in particular?

CmdrSprinkles 10y ago

On a completely unrelated note: While I do feel that political discussion is a necessity for any site that claims to be about cutting edge technology and ideas, there are also times you just should not engage. A good rule of thumb is that if a post is immediately antagonistic (and in all fairness, yours kind of was too) or ignores everything in the interest of isolating one phrase that MIGHT be disputable, it isn't. Which is kind of why I think this entire "detox", much like just about every detox that is about getting rid of the antioxidants or whatever the hell people go to spas for, is a load of bull. The problem isn't the topic, it is how people discuss it. And people discuss plenty of topics in overly emotional and pedantic ways. Often times while extolling their own intelligence in a way that makes you REALLY glad they aren't in the same room as you (HN may be even worse than reddit on that last point). Respond to posts that can have a discussion. Ignore the ones that can't.

Chris2048 10y ago
> ignores everything in the interest of isolating one phrase Why? If it's a valid criticism, why not. Sure, reading into things that take the thread into some tangent is bad; but otherwise, a call for clarification, even if nit-picking, is hard to judge objectively. > The problem isn't the topic, it is how people discuss it I agree, but only through objective and explicit guidelines can this be fixed. > Ignore the ones that can't. What I dislike more than a topic that is uninteresting to me, is people who also find it uninteresting, and yet comment on the fact. I don't dislike HN posts about apple, because I never read those posts, and it's usually obvious from the title what they are about.
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dang 10y ago
> The problem isn't the topic, it is how people discuss it. Of course. Yet there are obvious correlations to certain topics, and there might be a connection between the "how people discuss it" and the capacity to take a week off from it once in a while.