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Honestly, what even is "the problem"? Why does it bother you that there are new languages created? The problem is that new languages have such fatal flaws, tha

by Annatar 10y ago

Honestly, what even is "the problem"? Why does it bother you that there are new languages created? The problem is that new languages have such fatal flaws, that they make the problems they are trying to solve even worse. The second, and much more serious problem, is that it takes at least ten years to truly master a programming language. Humans only live about 70 years on the average, which means that it is impossible to keep up with every new language that comes out. I mean I live for this stuff, but I would literally have to be chained to the computer my entire life without time for anything else. That is nonsense. Anybody who thinks they have mastered a computer language in less than ten years is either a genius, or unbelievably egotistical and arrogant; and knowing a whole bunch of computer languages in a perfunctory manner, enough to make one dangerous leads to a really shitty job of sorting out that mess afterwards... that's the problem. My problem, and likely other people's problem.

sanderjd 10y ago
But you don't have to learn all of them... If you think a new language makes the problems its trying to solve even worse, you definitely shouldn't bother with it. But many others may disagree with you, and decide to invest that 10 years in really learning it. There is no problem with this. What I don't understand about your position is its absolutism. You keep talking about people being egotistical and arrogant, but it seems like you're the only one on this thread being those things, by claiming your subjective opinion as objective fact, and then making ridiculous hyperbolic statements about throwing people in jail based on it. It's not a contradiction for you to personally dislike a language's philosophy and for that language to have been a worthwhile creation and valuable to many people. Your feelings about different languages are just, like, your opinion man.
- Annatar 10y ago
  But many others may disagree with you, and decide to invest that 10 years in really learning it. There is no problem with this. Just wait until you invest ten years of your life to master a language, only for everyone else to move on to the next new trend, with you stuck holding the bag. AngularJS, Rust, and node.js, is it? I can't wait to ask you how you're feeling about all that time you invested into all of those, when all the kids move on to something else and they're no longer popular, for no reason other than the newcomers' ignorance, or because something shinier came along, but didn't actually add any value, just re-implemented the old thing in a worse way. We can then have a discussion about how you're feeling, having wasted a decade or more of your life away on what will then be perceived irrelevant. That's of course under the (optimistic) assumption that HN is still going to be popular in ten years...

by Annatar 10y ago

sanderjd 10y ago

But you don't have to learn all of them... If you think a new language makes the problems its trying to solve even worse, you definitely shouldn't bother with it. But many others may disagree with you, and decide to invest that 10 years in really learning it. There is no problem with this. What I don't understand about your position is its absolutism. You keep talking about people being egotistical and arrogant, but it seems like you're the only one on this thread being those things, by claiming your subjective opinion as objective fact, and then making ridiculous hyperbolic statements about throwing people in jail based on it. It's not a contradiction for you to personally dislike a language's philosophy and for that language to have been a worthwhile creation and valuable to many people. Your feelings about different languages are just, like, your opinion man.

Annatar 10y ago
But many others may disagree with you, and decide to invest that 10 years in really learning it. There is no problem with this. Just wait until you invest ten years of your life to master a language, only for everyone else to move on to the next new trend, with you stuck holding the bag. AngularJS, Rust, and node.js, is it? I can't wait to ask you how you're feeling about all that time you invested into all of those, when all the kids move on to something else and they're no longer popular, for no reason other than the newcomers' ignorance, or because something shinier came along, but didn't actually add any value, just re-implemented the old thing in a worse way. We can then have a discussion about how you're feeling, having wasted a decade or more of your life away on what will then be perceived irrelevant. That's of course under the (optimistic) assumption that HN is still going to be popular in ten years...