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I agree with you in some aspects but in the project description it is not mentioned the "self-driving" part, and I quote: 'Currently it performs the functions o

I agree with you in some aspects but in the project description it is not mentioned the "self-driving" part, and I quote: 'Currently it performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS)'. This I can believe is performed, at some degree. Do you think the media can be overinflating the whole project?

stale2002 10y ago
The reality is that Adapative Cruise Control and Lane assist is good enough for 90% of driving. Let computers handle the boring parts of driving, and send the hard stuff over to the human when it needs to. That is a lot of gains that we could be running right NOW on the streets.
- slavik81 10y ago
  What exactly will humans be doing while the computer handles the boring parts of driving? If the answer is 'supervising', that sounds even more boring than actually driving.
  - mannykannot 10y ago
    Right - they will not be supervising or paying attention or ready to take over in an emergency. Software that is designed with a dependency on drivers doing any of the above is an accident on its way to happen. The usefulness of certain systems that do not implicitly make use of human attentiveness cannot be assumed by those that do.
  - module0000 10y ago
    They should be supervising, but I imagine they will be staring at their phones. That said, there are 4-5 hour halls down I-65 that I wouldn't mind downgrading to "supervising" :) I'd be happy if this type of system would scan really aggressively to warn/avoid the deer barely visible off the road before it jumps out in front of me...
- kalleboo 10y ago
  What car that comes fitted with the required radars/cameras doesn't have those features already though?
- Reason077 10y ago
  That's entirely true, but it's also problematic because although you have "computers handling the boring part" you still need constant human supervision. If the human driver mentally switches off or stops paying attention, things get dangerous as has been demonstrated in numerous Tesla autopilot crashes. That isn't to say that these features don't improve safety. Widespread introduction of radar-based automatic emergency braking (AEB) will significantly reduce crashes and save many lives. But until we're closer to 100% autonomy, features that reduce driver workload need to be implemented carefully.
jsjohnst 10y ago
This isn't the entire codebase, it's what they've stripped out and open sourced (and a critical chunk isn't even OSS, it's a binary blob in the github repo). Furthermore, ACC and LKAS are standard features provided by Honda/Acura with the required feature package needed to run this code! Neo will provide more functionality, but as of now, NeoOS hasn't been open sourced at all and is just a binary Android image. It's not just the media though, he has a history of drama and overplaying things and is repeating the pattern here. I don't want to downplay his achievements, he's done a lot, but the hype is far greater than even that high bar of accomplishments.
- ainiriand 10y ago
  Now I get the whole picture, thanks for the clarification.
- Fricken 10y ago
  Hotz described his product as 'fancy cruise control'. He actually doesn't play it up, and there are any number of fly-by-night autonomous driving startups working on rudimentary autonomous driving systems on next to no budget, but of course it's Hotz getting all the attention. I'm seeing a lot of internet commenters reacting emotionally to Comma.ai, but the only thing they're getting upset about is their own inflated expectations. The actual product is too niche, too esoteric to warrant a strong reaction. It's a toy for nerds to tinker with, nothing more.
  - jsjohnst 10y ago
    He claims to be on par with Tesla: > It’s about on par with Tesla’s Autopilot 7, the one that came out when it launched. That's not playing it up to you? He's using a car that already has ACC and LKAS functionality to provide exactly that, yet scorns Tesla for using Mobileeye.
    - Fricken 10y ago
      I'm not sure which part of your claim is in opposition to my own, but you seem to be disagreeing with something I said.

stale2002 10y ago

The reality is that Adapative Cruise Control and Lane assist is good enough for 90% of driving. Let computers handle the boring parts of driving, and send the hard stuff over to the human when it needs to. That is a lot of gains that we could be running right NOW on the streets.

slavik81 10y ago
What exactly will humans be doing while the computer handles the boring parts of driving? If the answer is 'supervising', that sounds even more boring than actually driving.
- mannykannot 10y ago
  Right - they will not be supervising or paying attention or ready to take over in an emergency. Software that is designed with a dependency on drivers doing any of the above is an accident on its way to happen. The usefulness of certain systems that do not implicitly make use of human attentiveness cannot be assumed by those that do.
- module0000 10y ago
  They should be supervising, but I imagine they will be staring at their phones. That said, there are 4-5 hour halls down I-65 that I wouldn't mind downgrading to "supervising" :) I'd be happy if this type of system would scan really aggressively to warn/avoid the deer barely visible off the road before it jumps out in front of me...
kalleboo 10y ago
What car that comes fitted with the required radars/cameras doesn't have those features already though?
Reason077 10y ago
That's entirely true, but it's also problematic because although you have "computers handling the boring part" you still need constant human supervision. If the human driver mentally switches off or stops paying attention, things get dangerous as has been demonstrated in numerous Tesla autopilot crashes. That isn't to say that these features don't improve safety. Widespread introduction of radar-based automatic emergency braking (AEB) will significantly reduce crashes and save many lives. But until we're closer to 100% autonomy, features that reduce driver workload need to be implemented carefully.

jsjohnst 10y ago

This isn't the entire codebase, it's what they've stripped out and open sourced (and a critical chunk isn't even OSS, it's a binary blob in the github repo). Furthermore, ACC and LKAS are standard features provided by Honda/Acura with the required feature package needed to run this code! Neo will provide more functionality, but as of now, NeoOS hasn't been open sourced at all and is just a binary Android image. It's not just the media though, he has a history of drama and overplaying things and is repeating the pattern here. I don't want to downplay his achievements, he's done a lot, but the hype is far greater than even that high bar of accomplishments.

ainiriand 10y ago
Now I get the whole picture, thanks for the clarification.
Fricken 10y ago
Hotz described his product as 'fancy cruise control'. He actually doesn't play it up, and there are any number of fly-by-night autonomous driving startups working on rudimentary autonomous driving systems on next to no budget, but of course it's Hotz getting all the attention. I'm seeing a lot of internet commenters reacting emotionally to Comma.ai, but the only thing they're getting upset about is their own inflated expectations. The actual product is too niche, too esoteric to warrant a strong reaction. It's a toy for nerds to tinker with, nothing more.
- jsjohnst 10y ago
  He claims to be on par with Tesla: > It’s about on par with Tesla’s Autopilot 7, the one that came out when it launched. That's not playing it up to you? He's using a car that already has ACC and LKAS functionality to provide exactly that, yet scorns Tesla for using Mobileeye.
  - Fricken 10y ago
    I'm not sure which part of your claim is in opposition to my own, but you seem to be disagreeing with something I said.