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They would have won if there was a valid competition. Its an ever changing market, there is no definite winner or loser. Its as silly as saying IE already won f
by pavs 17y ago
They would have won if there was a valid competition. Its an ever changing market, there is no definite winner or loser. Its as silly as saying IE already won five years ago. IE had a market share at 95% in 2003. Did they win?
With Google opening up VP8 the market is likely to be shifted in the next 4-5 years. They have both the money and tech background to make VP8 just as good if not better. Hardware adoption is a matter of time.
- Legion 17y ago>> Its as silly as saying IE already won five years ago. Or even closer to the topic, RealPlayer.
- sigzero 17y agoApple and Microsoft are behind H264 now...that will be hard to overcome mostly because the public just wants it to work and doesn't care about the tech behind it.
- pavs 17y agoI won't comment on MSFT, because they have a really fucked up attitude towards open standards. But Apple, whether you like it or not, supports open standards (at-least when it comes to browsers). There is no reason why Apple won't support an open format over H264, if the performance is comparable. If I had stakes at H264 or any proprietary video coded/format. I would be concerned for my future.
- DrJokepu 17y agoSteve Jobs himself said a couple of days ago: All video codecs are covered by patents. A patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora and other “open source” codecs now. Unfortunately, just because something is open source, it doesn’t mean or guarantee that it doesn’t infringe on others patents. An open standard is different from being royalty free or open source. Source: http://blogs.fsfe.org/hugo/2010/04/open-letter-to-steve-jobs/ http://blogs.fsfe.org/hugo/2010/04/open-letter-to-steve-jobs...
- pavs 17y agoYou think Google doesn't know that? You think Google just spent $100 million without investigating on patent problems and how they will deal with them? Was Steve referring to VP8, its not opensource now, he is most likely only referring to existing open source codec.
- acg 17y agoFUD? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1312180 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1312180
- acg 17y agoThere is a reason, Apple will get revenue from the likes of Google. Apple is a licensee of H264.
- vetinari 17y agoApple won't support open formats, even if they are technically superior to encumbered ones. For example, see Vorbis and FLAC support in Quicktime.
- stcredzero 17y agoIE had a market share at 95% in 2003. Did they win? "For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting." - Gen. George C. Patton
- cmelbye 17y agoExcept the video format needs to stay the same, because no one wants to keep encoding their videos to the latest format so they will work. In the case of the migration from IE to Firefox, they were both HTML browsers so it's not really a good analogy.
- jacquesm 17y ago> They have both the money and tech background to make VP8 just as good if not better. They've got youtube, I think that's a much bigger factor here.