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Vote Ron Paul? Not to add to the Paulspam on the 'net, but if he was elected it really would make things a hundredfold easier. :-(

Xichekolas 19y ago
Since Presidents have Congress on such a tight leash and all...
- ivankirigin 19y ago
  A line item veto of most pork would effectively kill it.
  - Xichekolas 19y ago
    The problems with line item vetos is that a President would most likely not have the time or inclination to actually use it to deal with the pork, but he would use it to effectively have final edit privileges on all laws, at which point, he is both the Legislative and Executive branches at once. I think an easier solution is to impose a maximum length on non-budget bills and make them open for public review for a minimum of 90 days after final edit and before voting. Also enforce a separation in bills. Those that contain anything that involve appropriations must not include unrelated appropriations. That way you don't have missile programs sneaking into farm bills, steel subsidies sneaking into tax reforms, and bridges sneaking into education acts.
    - ivankirigin 19y ago
      Those all sound great. If you're a libertarian and want to get depressed, real the Cato Handbook for Congress. It's a list a mile long of excellent ideas that are unlikely to happen.
    - anamax 19y ago
      > The problems with line item vetos is that a President would most likely not have the time or inclination to actually use it to deal with the pork, but he would use it to effectively have final edit privileges on all laws, at which point, he is both the Legislative and Executive branches at once. Has that happened in the states that have line item veto? If not, why would it be different at the federal level? If so, could some tweaks fix the problem?
ivankirigin 19y ago
It would help, but more would need to happen. The environment that allowed Paul to win might be enough. At this point, I have more confidence in my ability to start a new country than a democracy system's ability to get over the problems the US faces.

Xichekolas 19y ago

Since Presidents have Congress on such a tight leash and all...

ivankirigin 19y ago
A line item veto of most pork would effectively kill it.
- Xichekolas 19y ago
  The problems with line item vetos is that a President would most likely not have the time or inclination to actually use it to deal with the pork, but he would use it to effectively have final edit privileges on all laws, at which point, he is both the Legislative and Executive branches at once. I think an easier solution is to impose a maximum length on non-budget bills and make them open for public review for a minimum of 90 days after final edit and before voting. Also enforce a separation in bills. Those that contain anything that involve appropriations must not include unrelated appropriations. That way you don't have missile programs sneaking into farm bills, steel subsidies sneaking into tax reforms, and bridges sneaking into education acts.
  - ivankirigin 19y ago
    Those all sound great. If you're a libertarian and want to get depressed, real the Cato Handbook for Congress. It's a list a mile long of excellent ideas that are unlikely to happen.
  - anamax 19y ago
    > The problems with line item vetos is that a President would most likely not have the time or inclination to actually use it to deal with the pork, but he would use it to effectively have final edit privileges on all laws, at which point, he is both the Legislative and Executive branches at once. Has that happened in the states that have line item veto? If not, why would it be different at the federal level? If so, could some tweaks fix the problem?

ivankirigin 19y ago

It would help, but more would need to happen. The environment that allowed Paul to win might be enough. At this point, I have more confidence in my ability to start a new country than a democracy system's ability to get over the problems the US faces.