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I have no problems with the steps that have been taken to combat abuse (in particular I like the mention of a configurable inbox filter), but I find a lot of th

I have no problems with the steps that have been taken to combat abuse (in particular I like the mention of a configurable inbox filter), but I find a lot of things wrong with the Contributor Covenant. In particular: > Use welcoming and inclusive language Why does language have to welcoming and inclusive? Can't it merely meet a minimum standard of mutual respect? > Focusing on what is best for the community Shouldn't it be what's best for the project? I understand that's nitpicking but the focus is wrong. > Showing empathy towards other community members Why are people required to show empathy? Is this a group therapy session? When would it make sense for personal issues to become involved in an open source project? Furthermore, project maintainers have the "right and responsibility" to enforce the often vague guidelines regarding negative conduct ("personal or political attack"?) and can receive "temporary or permanent repercussions" (very vague) for failing to follow the Covenant in "good faith". It just seems like despite a lot of good intentions it leaves too much room for interpretation and gives people grounds to bully others out of involvement with the project if it is taken at face value.

zardeh 10y ago
>Why does language have to welcoming and inclusive? Can't it merely meet a minimum standard of mutual respect? What's the difference? I consider inclusivity a minimum standard of mutual respect, do you not? >Shouldn't it be what's best for the project? I understand that's nitpicking but the focus is wrong. The CC is (to my knowledge) an opt-in thing, meaning that by opting in, you are consenting to put the greater community before your project (in some contexts). Is that a problem?
- hood_syntax 10y ago
  I don't consider inclusivity necessary for respect. To me, respect is politeness, not assuming or attributing ill will to others without evidence, and the willingness to communicate effectively and honestly. As for your second point, I do have a problem with putting the community before the project. If a fantastic open source project has a one man/woman dictatorship I don't care. The quality and ease of use is all that matters to me. I really only subscribe to one rule apart from that, which is don't be an asshole. I understand why some projects would want the community focus that the CC provides, I was merely articulating my issues with it.
- dozzie 10y ago
  > I consider inclusivity a minimum standard of mutual respect, do you not? I do not. I don't know what this "inclusivity" stands for.

zardeh 10y ago

>Why does language have to welcoming and inclusive? Can't it merely meet a minimum standard of mutual respect? What's the difference? I consider inclusivity a minimum standard of mutual respect, do you not? >Shouldn't it be what's best for the project? I understand that's nitpicking but the focus is wrong. The CC is (to my knowledge) an opt-in thing, meaning that by opting in, you are consenting to put the greater community before your project (in some contexts). Is that a problem?

hood_syntax 10y ago
I don't consider inclusivity necessary for respect. To me, respect is politeness, not assuming or attributing ill will to others without evidence, and the willingness to communicate effectively and honestly. As for your second point, I do have a problem with putting the community before the project. If a fantastic open source project has a one man/woman dictatorship I don't care. The quality and ease of use is all that matters to me. I really only subscribe to one rule apart from that, which is don't be an asshole. I understand why some projects would want the community focus that the CC provides, I was merely articulating my issues with it.
dozzie 10y ago
> I consider inclusivity a minimum standard of mutual respect, do you not? I do not. I don't know what this "inclusivity" stands for.