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A lot of that is anecdotes, like the harassment reports. You assume that all men are automatically welcomed into the high ranks of science, which is untrue. But

A lot of that is anecdotes, like the harassment reports. You assume that all men are automatically welcomed into the high ranks of science, which is untrue. But they can't spin a story of "they rejected me because I was a man". The toys might simply reflect preferences, why would companies be interested in pushing gender stereotypes? Yes, maybe more boys got a home computer for Christmas than girls - but how many girls had that home computer on their wish list? Entering fields were nobody looks like you: maybe the women from Harvard is more similar to the man from Harvard than another man from community college, though? It's feminist theory to claim the difference between men and women is such a huge separator. Some studies have some merit, like the response rate according to names, but it is not really enough to chalk it all up to discrimination. As for the 80%, no it is not random chance - men and women are different. My not-validated theory to explain it: maths is hard, let's go shopping! (Translation: women have other options).

burkaman 10y ago
> You assume that all men are automatically welcomed into the high ranks of science, which is untrue. No I don't. > Yes, maybe more boys got a home computer for Christmas than girls - but how many girls had that home computer on their wish list? Exactly, I'm glad you see the problem. Everyone unconsciously adopts stereotypes based on how people around them act, and what they see in the world. Children are especially susceptible. > Entering fields were nobody looks like you: maybe the women from Harvard is more similar to the man from Harvard than another man from community college, though? Good point, class and upbringing are diversity issues too. You do see a lot of efforts to introduce computing and sciences to low-income schools and neighborhoods, which is great. > Some studies have some merit, like the response rate according to names, but it is not really enough to chalk it all up to discrimination. Nothing is 100% discrimination, but where it's a problem, it should be addressed. > As for the 80%, no it is not random chance - men and women are different. > My not-validated theory to explain it: maths is hard, let's go shopping! (Translation: women have other options). Oh, I see. Should have read your whole comment before I started writing a response.
rokosbasilisk 10y ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/DanBeale1/status/805879082596659200 https://mobile.twitter.com/DanBeale1/status/8058790825966592... Head ups, a twitter account for some reason has a link to your comment, probably to manipulate up or down votes. I dont know what official policy is about that.

burkaman 10y ago

> You assume that all men are automatically welcomed into the high ranks of science, which is untrue. No I don't. > Yes, maybe more boys got a home computer for Christmas than girls - but how many girls had that home computer on their wish list? Exactly, I'm glad you see the problem. Everyone unconsciously adopts stereotypes based on how people around them act, and what they see in the world. Children are especially susceptible. > Entering fields were nobody looks like you: maybe the women from Harvard is more similar to the man from Harvard than another man from community college, though? Good point, class and upbringing are diversity issues too. You do see a lot of efforts to introduce computing and sciences to low-income schools and neighborhoods, which is great. > Some studies have some merit, like the response rate according to names, but it is not really enough to chalk it all up to discrimination. Nothing is 100% discrimination, but where it's a problem, it should be addressed. > As for the 80%, no it is not random chance - men and women are different. > My not-validated theory to explain it: maths is hard, let's go shopping! (Translation: women have other options). Oh, I see. Should have read your whole comment before I started writing a response.

rokosbasilisk 10y ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanBeale1/status/805879082596659200 https://mobile.twitter.com/DanBeale1/status/8058790825966592... Head ups, a twitter account for some reason has a link to your comment, probably to manipulate up or down votes. I dont know what official policy is about that.