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> and to believe so shows a complete lack of understanding of those problems and what real AI will become When the CEO of one of the most well-known AI-compani

by maaaats 10y ago

> and to believe so shows a complete lack of understanding of those problems and what real AI will become When the CEO of one of the most well-known AI-companies makes a claim you disagree with, you should probably give a better reason for him being wrong than "a complete lack of understanding".

allengeorge 10y ago
I guess with the OP is asking is: is there a technical reason that complex social problems are getting stuck. If so, how will general AI address those problems, and how will it itself avoid the same pitfalls? It's not clear to me at all that throwing AI at a social problem somehow solves it, so...
- meira 10y ago
  An AI that calculates how to fix social problems would suggest SV billionaries to give up their money and power. We are a long away off from this, and not technologically.
leereeves 10y ago
Being CEO of an AI company doesn't mean he has a greater understanding of "social problems".
- k__ 10y ago
  This. I mean Schmidt, Ballmer or Scully, didn't seem to have much expertise in their field.
- patrickmn 10y ago
  "Science talks about very simple things, and asks hard questions about them. As soon as things become too complex, science can’t deal with them… But it’s a complicated matter: Science studies what’s at the edge of understanding, and what’s at the edge of understanding is usually fairly simple. And it rarely reaches human affairs. Human affairs are way too complicated." — Noam Chomsky
- bbctol 10y ago
  To be fair, his background is in social work and public policy; Hassabis is the technical lead, Suleyman is very much focused on strategy and societal impact.
- squeaky-clean 10y ago
  The original article title was a (now corrected) typo. Suleyman isn't CEO, but "Co-Founder & Head of Applied AI" (from their website).
hokkos 10y ago
What a CEO says is not what he thinks, but what he wants you to believe. There is lot of discussions and justified fears about the future of jobs in relation with AI, so he try to make us believe his company was founded to help our social problems, but I don't believe it was, I believe it was founded because it was a mean to do cool things in their domain of expertise and earn money in the process.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
Social structures today are built out of millions of independent agents, each of whom is modelling many others in detail, but not quite accurately, while also modelling themselves somewhat more accurately, modelling the world in general at a low level-of-detail, and trying to meet their own embodied needs. There are ways to make accurate social reasoning easier (transparency, egalitarianism, precise communication, etc.), but our social structures are currently moving away from those. Adding one more agent who happens to be artificial is not going to make these social-reasoning problems any simpler.

by maaaats 10y ago

allengeorge 10y ago

I guess with the OP is asking is: is there a technical reason that complex social problems are getting stuck. If so, how will general AI address those problems, and how will it itself avoid the same pitfalls? It's not clear to me at all that throwing AI at a social problem somehow solves it, so...

meira 10y ago
An AI that calculates how to fix social problems would suggest SV billionaries to give up their money and power. We are a long away off from this, and not technologically.

leereeves 10y ago

Being CEO of an AI company doesn't mean he has a greater understanding of "social problems".

k__ 10y ago
This. I mean Schmidt, Ballmer or Scully, didn't seem to have much expertise in their field.
patrickmn 10y ago
"Science talks about very simple things, and asks hard questions about them. As soon as things become too complex, science can’t deal with them… But it’s a complicated matter: Science studies what’s at the edge of understanding, and what’s at the edge of understanding is usually fairly simple. And it rarely reaches human affairs. Human affairs are way too complicated." — Noam Chomsky
bbctol 10y ago
To be fair, his background is in social work and public policy; Hassabis is the technical lead, Suleyman is very much focused on strategy and societal impact.
squeaky-clean 10y ago
The original article title was a (now corrected) typo. Suleyman isn't CEO, but "Co-Founder & Head of Applied AI" (from their website).

hokkos 10y ago

What a CEO says is not what he thinks, but what he wants you to believe. There is lot of discussions and justified fears about the future of jobs in relation with AI, so he try to make us believe his company was founded to help our social problems, but I don't believe it was, I believe it was founded because it was a mean to do cool things in their domain of expertise and earn money in the process.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

Social structures today are built out of millions of independent agents, each of whom is modelling many others in detail, but not quite accurately, while also modelling themselves somewhat more accurately, modelling the world in general at a low level-of-detail, and trying to meet their own embodied needs. There are ways to make accurate social reasoning easier (transparency, egalitarianism, precise communication, etc.), but our social structures are currently moving away from those. Adding one more agent who happens to be artificial is not going to make these social-reasoning problems any simpler.