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> Click the Like button on a Page that challenges your beliefs, interact with that information and you'll see more of it. That's precisely the problem with it.

by grive 10y ago

> Click the Like button on a Page that challenges your beliefs, interact with that information and you'll see more of it. That's precisely the problem with it. I'd like to read more on extremists groups and see how and why they exists, what kind of people they are, why do they think the way they do, what their fight is in our society. This is the first step to build a dialog. However, "liking" their pages is out of question. I will not support them, I will not help them further their propaganda, their hateful rhetoric. I would like to understand them, but in no way do I want to support them. In that sense, Facebook actively discourage dialog and openness to other ideas, because the only way to receive these ideas is also to make them more relevant than they ought to be. There should be a way for us to navigate different bubbles, to inhabit different, neutral profiles to explore other niches of population, other ways of life within our own society. In that regard, Facebook is useless because it is not interesting for their business. Reddit can work, but Reddit also has unpenetrable walls sometimes. However, it is already much better than Facebook or Google.

supergarfield 10y ago
If liking is the problem, you can usually follow pages without liking them. You can also make your following list private. However I think it's unclear what you will get from following a real extremist group, except if you like to see repetitive propaganda. Following a somewhat-reputable news source that's usually opposed to your views may be a better solution.
- icantdrive55 10y ago
  Or just get into the habit of deactivating. I really thought FB would be gone by now. What have I gotten out of Facebook? I'm just more cynical of people, and the world. People can claim that about a lot of sites, but FB brings the worst out of me. I don't think I'm alone. It just takes 10 clicks to deactivate. (As a developer, I despise websites that use a FB login.)
welanes 10y ago
> There should be a way for us to navigate different bubbles, to inhabit different, neutral profiles to explore other niches of population Twitter is the app for that. Set up lists of different individuals so you can switch between different viewpoints in two clicks. No need to follow anybody on your list. It's actually fascinating to do so. Watch 'the reality' of a current or political event contort as you switch from 'Liberal', 'Conservative', 'Regressive Left', 'Alt-Right' streams of thought. In fact, that would make an interesting website. A Twitter version of http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed .
- PretzelFisch 10y ago
  but still there is no conversation/debate on twitter with its 140 limit. For that you need a blog or medium. Where twitter can a poor rss feed reader.
- vasaulys 10y ago
  I'm surprised that more people don't know about lists, it seems like Twitter doesn't promote it as much as they should.
  - joshkpeterson 10y ago
    People have been asking Twitter for years to improve lists, but they don't listen.
  - twoquestions 10y ago
    Weird, I don't even know about Twitter Lists, but then again I don't use Twitter much. It would be very convenient!
gnicholas 10y ago
> However, "liking" their pages is out of question. I will not support them, I will not help them further their propaganda, their hateful rhetoric. I would like to understand them, but in no way do I want to support them. Consider the possibility that if you and your friends "liked" pages of "extremist" groups that you disagree with, then when they pay to boost a post, part of that money will be wasted on showing it to you. So while you are supporting them (by making it seem like more people like their page), you are also weighing on them financially. Not a huge impact in either case, but worth considering both sides of the coin. I agree that there should be a way to follow-without-liking. That would make it possible for advertisers to use clickfarms to impair their competitors, by flooding them with fake followers who then suck up the competitors' advertising dollars. There's always an unintended consequence!

by grive 10y ago

supergarfield 10y ago

If liking is the problem, you can usually follow pages without liking them. You can also make your following list private. However I think it's unclear what you will get from following a real extremist group, except if you like to see repetitive propaganda. Following a somewhat-reputable news source that's usually opposed to your views may be a better solution.

icantdrive55 10y ago
Or just get into the habit of deactivating. I really thought FB would be gone by now. What have I gotten out of Facebook? I'm just more cynical of people, and the world. People can claim that about a lot of sites, but FB brings the worst out of me. I don't think I'm alone. It just takes 10 clicks to deactivate. (As a developer, I despise websites that use a FB login.)

welanes 10y ago

> There should be a way for us to navigate different bubbles, to inhabit different, neutral profiles to explore other niches of population Twitter is the app for that. Set up lists of different individuals so you can switch between different viewpoints in two clicks. No need to follow anybody on your list. It's actually fascinating to do so. Watch 'the reality' of a current or political event contort as you switch from 'Liberal', 'Conservative', 'Regressive Left', 'Alt-Right' streams of thought. In fact, that would make an interesting website. A Twitter version of http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed .

PretzelFisch 10y ago
but still there is no conversation/debate on twitter with its 140 limit. For that you need a blog or medium. Where twitter can a poor rss feed reader.
vasaulys 10y ago
I'm surprised that more people don't know about lists, it seems like Twitter doesn't promote it as much as they should.
- joshkpeterson 10y ago
  People have been asking Twitter for years to improve lists, but they don't listen.
- twoquestions 10y ago
  Weird, I don't even know about Twitter Lists, but then again I don't use Twitter much. It would be very convenient!

gnicholas 10y ago

> However, "liking" their pages is out of question. I will not support them, I will not help them further their propaganda, their hateful rhetoric. I would like to understand them, but in no way do I want to support them. Consider the possibility that if you and your friends "liked" pages of "extremist" groups that you disagree with, then when they pay to boost a post, part of that money will be wasted on showing it to you. So while you are supporting them (by making it seem like more people like their page), you are also weighing on them financially. Not a huge impact in either case, but worth considering both sides of the coin. I agree that there should be a way to follow-without-liking. That would make it possible for advertisers to use clickfarms to impair their competitors, by flooding them with fake followers who then suck up the competitors' advertising dollars. There's always an unintended consequence!