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For 100 years only. In 2116 we might need a new shelter on top of this?

by iaskwhy 10y ago

CmdrSprinkles 10y ago
We probably will. Figuring out the actual time until Chernobyl is safe is pretty difficult as most resources are highly politicized (I wonder why...) and there are certain REALLY hot spots, but considering the high profile nature of it: even when it reaches safe and reasonable levels of radiation, people are going to be afraid of it. But here is a pretty decent, if not overly scientific, resource to get an idea of things http://chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/radiation-levels/ http://chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/radiation-lev... For good chunks of it, it is safe enough for humans. Not great, but if there were a pressing concern, people could live there (keeping away from the remaining problems) comfortably (seriously, you would be amazed at background radiation levels in a lot of residential areas). But there is no pressing reason to, and there are definitely some spots you would want to stay the hell away from. Fukishima, Three Mile Island, and Hiroshima/Nagasaki are cases where there IS a pressing reason for people to live there, so standards are much lower/more reasonable/whatever.
mamadrood 10y ago
And we will keep doing this for the next 20,000 years or so. The surrounding area will be safe long before that but the epicentre will be radioactive for a long time and there is nothing we can really do about it.
- NamTaf 10y ago
  Within the next 20,000 years we'll get to the point where the improvement of technology and our desire to get rid of the goddamn stuff will overcome the incredible cost of blasting it out of the solar system for good.
- edblarney 10y ago
  In < 50 years well have robots or remotely controlled robots that can go in there and clean it up.
  - manarth 10y ago
    We've tried this before: - "Fukushima robot stranded after stalling inside reactor" [1] - "the robot could remain ambulatory in the radiation field for only 50 minutes, and in fact the robot's lower portion was no longer responding to commands" [2] Poor robots, always being sent in to die alone. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fukushima-robot-stalls-reactor-abandoned https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fukushim... [2] http://phys.org/news/2005-12-mighty-mouse-robot-frees-stuck.html http://phys.org/news/2005-12-mighty-mouse-robot-frees-stuck....
    - edblarney 10y ago
      That's why I gave a 50 year window. Today, we don't quite have the ability. In the future, we will.
- ageofwant 10y ago
  The foot will be mined and processed into fuel within the next 20 years. At that stage the surrounding pristine wildlife haven that the countryside reverted to in the absence of humans will again degenerate into the usual suburban death zone, filled with humans, cats dogs, and almost nothing else.

For 100 years only. In 2116 we might need a new shelter on top of this?

by iaskwhy 10y ago

For 100 years only. In 2116 we might need a new shelter on top of this?

We probably will. Figuring out the actual time until Chernobyl is safe is pretty difficult as most resources are highly politicized (I wonder why...) and there are certain REALLY hot spots, but considering the high profile nature of it: even when it reaches safe and reasonable levels of radiation, people are going to be afraid of it. But here is a pretty decent, if not overly scientific, resource to get an idea of things http://chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/radiation-levels/ http://chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/radiation-lev... For good chunks of it, it is safe enough for humans. Not great, but if there were a pressing concern, people could live there (keeping away from the remaining problems) comfortably (seriously, you would be amazed at background radiation levels in a lot of residential areas). But there is no pressing reason to, and there are definitely some spots you would want to stay the hell away from. Fukishima, Three Mile Island, and Hiroshima/Nagasaki are cases where there IS a pressing reason for people to live there, so standards are much lower/more reasonable/whatever.

mamadrood 10y ago

And we will keep doing this for the next 20,000 years or so. The surrounding area will be safe long before that but the epicentre will be radioactive for a long time and there is nothing we can really do about it.

NamTaf 10y ago
Within the next 20,000 years we'll get to the point where the improvement of technology and our desire to get rid of the goddamn stuff will overcome the incredible cost of blasting it out of the solar system for good.
edblarney 10y ago
In < 50 years well have robots or remotely controlled robots that can go in there and clean it up.
- manarth 10y ago
  We've tried this before: - "Fukushima robot stranded after stalling inside reactor" [1] - "the robot could remain ambulatory in the radiation field for only 50 minutes, and in fact the robot's lower portion was no longer responding to commands" [2] Poor robots, always being sent in to die alone. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fukushima-robot-stalls-reactor-abandoned https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/apr/13/fukushim... [2] http://phys.org/news/2005-12-mighty-mouse-robot-frees-stuck.html http://phys.org/news/2005-12-mighty-mouse-robot-frees-stuck....
  - edblarney 10y ago
    That's why I gave a 50 year window. Today, we don't quite have the ability. In the future, we will.
ageofwant 10y ago
The foot will be mined and processed into fuel within the next 20 years. At that stage the surrounding pristine wildlife haven that the countryside reverted to in the absence of humans will again degenerate into the usual suburban death zone, filled with humans, cats dogs, and almost nothing else.