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It is not what you are asking for, but as I repeatedly hear is that The Netherlands is closer to the UK with regards to the business practice. Less strict, less

It is not what you are asking for, but as I repeatedly hear is that The Netherlands is closer to the UK with regards to the business practice. Less strict, less formal, no hierarchies. But VC isn't big in The Netherlands as well. Salaries are still a joke compared to the US.

cyberpunk 10y ago
I worked in NL a few years ago and the corp culture there was good generally. I'll never acknowledge frikandellen as fit for human consumption however.. I'm not sure about the money argument still though -- a joke? How much more money do you think your avg dev is getting paid in the US vs what we get here in Europe? A regular employee/salaried dev is looking at at least 90k euro/year in nl, which is a very very comfortable living before bonus/benefits and NL also has the 13'th month thing which allows for easy laptop buying every year... Senior/Lead folks are looking at more plus options and whatever.. It's obviously a hard thing to measure, but I think the quality of life argument for your typical european is somewhat higher than your generic american worker (25 days holiday, employee-biased employment laws, various lifestyle protections (e.g in holland if you're a fully 'paid up' taxpayer and you lose your job then the govt will give you some 75% of your last salary while you find another role)). I guess there's no way to really compare all these things, there are too many other factors -- I'm really curious on how much more money you're talking about here though...
- falsedan 10y ago
  What company in NL pays 90k for new grads?
  - passiveincomelg 10y ago
    or senior devs
    - hocuspocus 10y ago
      90k is attainable at Booking.com for a senior dev, but you have to be into Perl :) And I imagine that your total comp is pretty big at Uber too (at least on paper). Clearly not the norm in NL though. It might be easier in hardware, I don't know how well ASML pays.
      - passiveincomelg 10y ago
        Not really into Perl or into moving anywhere, but good to know. :)
- cplanas 10y ago
  > A regular employee/salaried dev is looking at at least 90k euro/year in nl According Payscale, the average salary for a developer in Netherlands is 41k Euro/Year (http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa...), and in Amsterdam, the capital, 53k (http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary/574244ed/Amsterdam http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Senior_Software_Engi...). In Copenhagen and Barcelona (the two Euro cities where I have worked) 90k is totally off the market.

cyberpunk 10y ago

I worked in NL a few years ago and the corp culture there was good generally. I'll never acknowledge frikandellen as fit for human consumption however.. I'm not sure about the money argument still though -- a joke? How much more money do you think your avg dev is getting paid in the US vs what we get here in Europe? A regular employee/salaried dev is looking at at least 90k euro/year in nl, which is a very very comfortable living before bonus/benefits and NL also has the 13'th month thing which allows for easy laptop buying every year... Senior/Lead folks are looking at more plus options and whatever.. It's obviously a hard thing to measure, but I think the quality of life argument for your typical european is somewhat higher than your generic american worker (25 days holiday, employee-biased employment laws, various lifestyle protections (e.g in holland if you're a fully 'paid up' taxpayer and you lose your job then the govt will give you some 75% of your last salary while you find another role)). I guess there's no way to really compare all these things, there are too many other factors -- I'm really curious on how much more money you're talking about here though...

falsedan 10y ago
What company in NL pays 90k for new grads?
- passiveincomelg 10y ago
  or senior devs
  - hocuspocus 10y ago
    90k is attainable at Booking.com for a senior dev, but you have to be into Perl :) And I imagine that your total comp is pretty big at Uber too (at least on paper). Clearly not the norm in NL though. It might be easier in hardware, I don't know how well ASML pays.
    - passiveincomelg 10y ago
      Not really into Perl or into moving anywhere, but good to know. :)
cplanas 10y ago
> A regular employee/salaried dev is looking at at least 90k euro/year in nl According Payscale, the average salary for a developer in Netherlands is 41k Euro/Year (http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa...), and in Amsterdam, the capital, 53k (http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary/574244ed/Amsterdam http://www.payscale.com/research/NL/Job=Senior_Software_Engi...). In Copenhagen and Barcelona (the two Euro cities where I have worked) 90k is totally off the market.