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sure, musk has 5 kids! how much time does he get with them vs. work I wonder.

coldtea 10y ago
When you have that kind of money you have 10 babysitters, nannies, assistants, cooks, cleaners, drivers etc. And you can get a day off almost whenever you want too.
- maxxxxx 10y ago
  I love it when they show on TV how brave some superstar is who manages to raise children while having a busy career. They never show the nannies, cooks and cleaning personnel.
  - seanp2k2 10y ago
    Then we try to sell that story to single moms with low-paying jobs, and tell them to suck it up when they're breaking down due to the stress and unattainability of it.
    - gedy 10y ago
      And or get yelled at if you suggest that intentionally walking into single parenthood without excellent circumstances is not a great idea.
  - lintiness 10y ago
    how about when said brave superstar LEANS IN and delivers a lecture to the planet via book (sheryl sandberg)?
- andrewfromx 10y ago
  yeah right. I'm sure musk thinks, hmmm today instead of working all day on a fun project I think I'll parent! You can't have it both ways. I'm sure musk sacrificed father/kid relationships for work success in a major way. It's not possible to have it all.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >yeah right. I'm sure musk thinks, hmmm today instead of working all day on a fun project I think I'll parent! Many rich people do that all the time. If he doesn't think his kids is a "fun project" too, then that's his choice, not something born out of necessity. >You can't have it both ways. You can, if you have "fuck you money", which Musk has 10000 times over. It's the poor people who work 2 shifts and barely have the money to provide for their family that can't have both time and money at the same time. >I'm sure musk sacrificed father/kid relationships for work success in a major way. It's not possible to have it all. First of all, nobody mandates that you SHOULD have it all. You can make your own balance and opt to sacrifice maximum work success. Musk is not a slave. If he is a "slave to work success" that's his personal choice. There are rich people that have excellent in-person, relationships with their kids, and can shun work and meetings for their personal time, whether with kids, spouse, other interests, etc. Gates, for one, stepped down as CEO at 45 and went part-time with MS stuff at 50.
    - GuiA 10y ago
      > You can, if you have "fuck you money", which Musk has 10000 times over. You can have "fuck you money", but you can't have "fuck you time". Sure, the capitalist HN crowd will argue that money can buy you time (e.g. by having people do your chores for you, etc) but ultimately there is a finite amount of bedtime moments, meals, Sunday mornings, etc in your kid's lives. Try as you might, fuck you money won't change that.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >but ultimately there is a finite amount of bedtime moments, meals, Sunday mornings, etc in your kid's lives. Try as you might, fuck you money won't change that. I think you've misunderstood the concept of fuck you money, at least as it relates to time. They don't buy you more time -- they buy you the luxury to be you that decides what you do with your finite time. And bonding with your children is entirely up to you (or Musk's in this example) decision if you have those. Besides, nobody argued that there's not a "finite amount of bedtime moments, meals, Sunday mornings, etc in your kid's life" -- just that when you are rich it's upon you (and not, e.g. your boss or financial necessities, or drudgery work like cooking, and cleaning and such) to spend more of your time with your kid during those moments.
- hourislate 10y ago
  Kids don't want babysitters, nannies, daycares,money, toys, rewards. They just want time with their parents. The more time you can spend with your child, the better. Hard to do in this day and age.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    Yeah, but rich people can (have the option, not that they necessarily do it) have both ( babysitters, nannies, daycares, money, toys, rewards AND time with their children). For many poor working people time with their children is a luxury -- but they can't even give them all the other stuff, sometimes not even decent food and shelter, much less an education.

When you have that kind of money you have 10 babysitters, nannies, assistants, cooks, cleaners, drivers etc. And you can get a day off almost whenever you want too.

maxxxxx 10y ago
I love it when they show on TV how brave some superstar is who manages to raise children while having a busy career. They never show the nannies, cooks and cleaning personnel.
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  Then we try to sell that story to single moms with low-paying jobs, and tell them to suck it up when they're breaking down due to the stress and unattainability of it.
  - gedy 10y ago
    And or get yelled at if you suggest that intentionally walking into single parenthood without excellent circumstances is not a great idea.
- lintiness 10y ago
  how about when said brave superstar LEANS IN and delivers a lecture to the planet via book (sheryl sandberg)?
andrewfromx 10y ago
yeah right. I'm sure musk thinks, hmmm today instead of working all day on a fun project I think I'll parent! You can't have it both ways. I'm sure musk sacrificed father/kid relationships for work success in a major way. It's not possible to have it all.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >yeah right. I'm sure musk thinks, hmmm today instead of working all day on a fun project I think I'll parent! Many rich people do that all the time. If he doesn't think his kids is a "fun project" too, then that's his choice, not something born out of necessity. >You can't have it both ways. You can, if you have "fuck you money", which Musk has 10000 times over. It's the poor people who work 2 shifts and barely have the money to provide for their family that can't have both time and money at the same time. >I'm sure musk sacrificed father/kid relationships for work success in a major way. It's not possible to have it all. First of all, nobody mandates that you SHOULD have it all. You can make your own balance and opt to sacrifice maximum work success. Musk is not a slave. If he is a "slave to work success" that's his personal choice. There are rich people that have excellent in-person, relationships with their kids, and can shun work and meetings for their personal time, whether with kids, spouse, other interests, etc. Gates, for one, stepped down as CEO at 45 and went part-time with MS stuff at 50.
  - GuiA 10y ago
    > You can, if you have "fuck you money", which Musk has 10000 times over. You can have "fuck you money", but you can't have "fuck you time". Sure, the capitalist HN crowd will argue that money can buy you time (e.g. by having people do your chores for you, etc) but ultimately there is a finite amount of bedtime moments, meals, Sunday mornings, etc in your kid's lives. Try as you might, fuck you money won't change that.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >but ultimately there is a finite amount of bedtime moments, meals, Sunday mornings, etc in your kid's lives. Try as you might, fuck you money won't change that. I think you've misunderstood the concept of fuck you money, at least as it relates to time. They don't buy you more time -- they buy you the luxury to be you that decides what you do with your finite time. And bonding with your children is entirely up to you (or Musk's in this example) decision if you have those. Besides, nobody argued that there's not a "finite amount of bedtime moments, meals, Sunday mornings, etc in your kid's life" -- just that when you are rich it's upon you (and not, e.g. your boss or financial necessities, or drudgery work like cooking, and cleaning and such) to spend more of your time with your kid during those moments.
hourislate 10y ago
Kids don't want babysitters, nannies, daycares,money, toys, rewards. They just want time with their parents. The more time you can spend with your child, the better. Hard to do in this day and age.
- coldtea 10y ago
  Yeah, but rich people can (have the option, not that they necessarily do it) have both ( babysitters, nannies, daycares, money, toys, rewards AND time with their children). For many poor working people time with their children is a luxury -- but they can't even give them all the other stuff, sometimes not even decent food and shelter, much less an education.