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Hmmmm.. 4 pro surveillance comments in this thread so far from a user account created 13 minutes ago... Astroturf much?

sioadfjafsdaf 10y ago
Totally. I'm a secret FBI lizard man of the Illuminati. Busted! Maybe I'm just finally fed up with all this garbage extremist crap being posted and upvoted everywhere. It's getting really really really old.
- santoriv 10y ago
  Well I suppose that extremism is in the eye of the beholder. The Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." I would argue that the ability of the US government to have unfettered access to all of your electronic devices - even in cases where there is no indication that you have perpetrated any crime - would constitute an "unreasonable search". To you that may be an extremist view. To me that's a reasonable interpretation of the English language.
- dang 10y ago
  Please stop creating multiple random accounts to comment with, and especially to break the HN guidelines with. That's an abuse of this site, and we ban such accounts. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20identity%20community https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...
  - sioadfjafsdaf 10y ago
    Every elite class has their pitbulls... Personally I prefer to be my own man, but I can understand how you'd prefer to be a pet. Ban away, I'm good. Sometimes I forget how dishonest this site is.
  - sioadfjafsdaf 10y ago
    I just want to leave but at the same time, it's all so dishonest. People like you are doing so little to stop it. The most influential country in the world is being fucked up because people like you fucked up and won't give up your power to those who could do better. This thread is an example of what you are causing. But still it doesn't matter to you because you want a paycheck.
    - dang 10y ago
      The difficulty here is the impossibility of perceiving others accurately through the tiny pinhole of a channel that we have online. Because we have so little information about each other—a stick drawing, if that—we fill in the rest with our imagination. To do this, we draw on our own experiences and feelings, not real data about the other person. What other information would we use? By definition, there isn't any. The result is that we create a picture of a monster (e.g. in this case, a dishonest person fucking up the country) that has an uncanny ability to push our buttons and drive us crazy. I puzzled over my own version of this for a long time before realizing that the only being with such perfect knowledge of how to push my buttons was me. So we're fighting demons of our own creation. That explains why we can never get away from them or ever win: they're internal creatures who have access to all our secret codes—probably better access than we do. Knowing about this dynamic is key to not being driven crazy by it. In my case it was an occupational health hazard. I had to figure it out because the alternative was literally to have my buttons pushed and be driven crazy all day, every day. There's more than enough material on HN to fuel that, and it isn't a good way to live. Once you realize that this process is going on inside your system and isn't a snapshot of reality, you can be more open to information that doesn't fit the picture. For example, that the person you're talking to admires your desire for honesty and has as little power to fuck up the country (or unfuck it up) as you do.
      - abtinf 10y ago
        This is an extraordinarily insightful comment about online discussions. Might I suggest adding a summary of it to the HN guidelines, or perhaps even create a "philosophy of HN" page that contains these sorts of principles that ought to guide HN discussion. I'm seeing this after the political-detox-week thread, and I think it provides crucial context: political discussion online creates a "picture of a monster" that one imagines can inflict real harm to the self and to loved ones.

Totally. I'm a secret FBI lizard man of the Illuminati. Busted! Maybe I'm just finally fed up with all this garbage extremist crap being posted and upvoted everywhere. It's getting really really really old.

santoriv 10y ago
Well I suppose that extremism is in the eye of the beholder. The Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." I would argue that the ability of the US government to have unfettered access to all of your electronic devices - even in cases where there is no indication that you have perpetrated any crime - would constitute an "unreasonable search". To you that may be an extremist view. To me that's a reasonable interpretation of the English language.
dang 10y ago
Please stop creating multiple random accounts to comment with, and especially to break the HN guidelines with. That's an abuse of this site, and we ban such accounts. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20identity%20community https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...
- sioadfjafsdaf 10y ago
  Every elite class has their pitbulls... Personally I prefer to be my own man, but I can understand how you'd prefer to be a pet. Ban away, I'm good. Sometimes I forget how dishonest this site is.
- sioadfjafsdaf 10y ago
  I just want to leave but at the same time, it's all so dishonest. People like you are doing so little to stop it. The most influential country in the world is being fucked up because people like you fucked up and won't give up your power to those who could do better. This thread is an example of what you are causing. But still it doesn't matter to you because you want a paycheck.
  - dang 10y ago
    The difficulty here is the impossibility of perceiving others accurately through the tiny pinhole of a channel that we have online. Because we have so little information about each other—a stick drawing, if that—we fill in the rest with our imagination. To do this, we draw on our own experiences and feelings, not real data about the other person. What other information would we use? By definition, there isn't any. The result is that we create a picture of a monster (e.g. in this case, a dishonest person fucking up the country) that has an uncanny ability to push our buttons and drive us crazy. I puzzled over my own version of this for a long time before realizing that the only being with such perfect knowledge of how to push my buttons was me. So we're fighting demons of our own creation. That explains why we can never get away from them or ever win: they're internal creatures who have access to all our secret codes—probably better access than we do. Knowing about this dynamic is key to not being driven crazy by it. In my case it was an occupational health hazard. I had to figure it out because the alternative was literally to have my buttons pushed and be driven crazy all day, every day. There's more than enough material on HN to fuel that, and it isn't a good way to live. Once you realize that this process is going on inside your system and isn't a snapshot of reality, you can be more open to information that doesn't fit the picture. For example, that the person you're talking to admires your desire for honesty and has as little power to fuck up the country (or unfuck it up) as you do.
    - abtinf 10y ago
      This is an extraordinarily insightful comment about online discussions. Might I suggest adding a summary of it to the HN guidelines, or perhaps even create a "philosophy of HN" page that contains these sorts of principles that ought to guide HN discussion. I'm seeing this after the political-detox-week thread, and I think it provides crucial context: political discussion online creates a "picture of a monster" that one imagines can inflict real harm to the self and to loved ones.