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> This isn't coming from a place of anti-Apple sentiment...I use quite a few Apple products...I just accept that they're pretty bad at this stuff these days. H

> This isn't coming from a place of anti-Apple sentiment...I use quite a few Apple products...I just accept that they're pretty bad at this stuff these days. Honestly, I can't remember a time when Apple was particularly good at software. What sets them apart from their competitors is the integration of the whole package: style, above average hardware build quality, pretty good UX design, and most importantly a heavy dose of marketing.

Terretta 10y ago
> Honestly, I can't remember a time Apple was particularly good at software. I'm not following this argument. BnL, people use Macs because of the software, not the specs. It's hard to make an OS that works that well for both luddites (GUI) and hackers (BSD flavor CLI). Who else pulled off this software feat this well? People were pissed at loss of Aperture, because of software. Pages, Numbers, Keynote, serve lots of people's needs well. Even Preview is nice. People use the iPhone because of software. Every new Android, tech press is agog about its specs, but iPhone switchers stay more loyal because of software over specs. Marketing doesn't keep you using a phone, or an OS. I actually cannot recall the last MacBook ad I saw. MacBooks on TV shows these days even tend to have the logo covered. I suspect what's going on here is that aspects of software are more important to mass market than to you. You may be aggravated at technical details, while the mass market likes the overall experience of not having to think about it. Much like the debate of convention over configuration, Apple's value system is different than the hacker value system. They have historically particularly good at software that iterates towards those values.