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Magic Leap – Separating Magic and Reality

128 points by mmastrac 10y ago

swrobel 10y ago
Mirror?
- mgrpowers 10y ago
  No, magic.
  - DonHopkins 10y ago
    Where there's smoke, there's magic.
    - CamperBob2 10y ago
      Or at least, there was magic.
- smlacy 10y ago
  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.kguttag.com/2016/11/20/magic-leap-separating-magic-and-reality/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...
cma 10y ago
Keep in mind he openly disclosed in his first post that he bought EMagin and is hoping to pump up their stock price by saying Magic Leap may be using microdisplays or other tech instead of scanning fiber projectors. That isn't illegal if he isn't lying or anything, but whether he is right or not, he isn't an unbiased source. He was also eviscerated here and never replied, though he replies to almost every other reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicleap/comments/5c337v/magic_leaps_videos_appear_to_be_using_oled/d9uokuq/ https://www.reddit.com/r/magicleap/comments/5c337v/magic_lea... (disclaimer: I own a small amount of EMagin from before his post)
- kguttag 10y ago
  Hi, I'm not sure what you think eviscerated me. My information is factual. I try to answer all responses but I am getting a LOT responses and I may have missed some at reddit. It is best to go to the comment section on my site. It turns out that Magic Leap does use Mico-OLED in one of its prototype, but they are also using DLPs and LCOS. My subsequent posts point this out. I warned people that it was just a hunch. I kept my stake in eMagin at least for the time being, but as I said it was a small stake for me. BTW, my website is down right now. I found out that there was a lot of traffic from Hacker News while trying to see what was going on which is what brought me here. I'm on hold with tech support right now.
  - cma 10y ago
    >I'm not sure what you think eviscerated me. After he showed you the caption on the images all you came back with was a statement (via an edit to your post) that the first image was still an "artists concept" (it isn't, highlighting the projector's field of view and pointing out that it was done in the caption isn't anything like an "artist's concept"). And then for the second image you said it "might be real." That means you are essentially accusing the researchers and saying they "might" be faking the second image and committing research fraud. Their caption says, "the bottom photo is unaltered." (shameless edit: I have VR and mixed-reality experience including relighting the real-world with game-engine lighting. If any Magic Leap guys are browsing the thread and looking for third party content devs or recruiting, send an email to mljobcandidate@gmail.com!)
    - jv22222 10y ago
      +1 for the hustle and, yes, I'm expecting down votes ;)
    - kguttag 10y ago
      You are shameless alright. OK, I was answering a lot of questions that day and I went to the direct links the person gave to the jpeg images and not the paper. The first one was obviously altered but the picture I saw did not have the caption. Same for the second, I never saw the caption or that paper before I went back to check tonight. As for speckle, it would not have shown up in the low resolution pictures. It might also not be there due to the vibrating fiber (some types of vibration will essentially eliminate speckle but usually it has to be the screen that is vibrate). BTW, my website may be down for a while.
zappo2938 10y ago
Magic Leaps website downloads 1GB (edit) of high def video every 10 minutes to my mobile phone. I have some serious doubts about their understanding of how technology works or even if they give a crap.
- cma 10y ago
  You phone has a 13.33gbps connection?
  - zappo2938 10y ago
    I meant gigabyte. I'm trying to find the screen grab I made using Charles Web Debugging Proxy which was over wifi. Regardless, the videos on their front page just keep loading and don't stop on mobile devices.
    - kordless 10y ago
      The marketing team at a company and the technology team at a company are comprised of completely different people. Your comments are ad hominem based and biased. Without being present in the company yourself, you have no idea what they are capable of building based off observations from their website's efficiencies. That said, I have serious doubts about their ability to secure the hardware and software from intruders who believe it is just another objective reality in which they may speak and act for others.
      - zappo2938 10y ago
        If they are going to acquire that much venture capital, the same as Theranos did, over other, perhaps, more deserving startups who don't actively bullshit investors I have no problem holding their feet to the fire. When their only example so far of what they are capable of with technology is their website which is a hack I feel it is a valid criticism and should cast doubt about what they are capable of. Yes they have a small group of talented researchers in Washington but the rest of the company is smoke and mirrors. It is also rude to do that to mobile users.
jecjec 10y ago
The site is 500ing, does anyone have a mirror?
- suhith 10y ago
  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S5Jsin1-kFcJ:www.kguttag.com/2016/11/20/magic-leap-separating-magic-and-reality/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S5Jsin1...
benkarst 10y ago
The link is broken for me.
- kguttag 10y ago
  The site when down about a hour ago. I'm on the line with tech support of my hosting service to try and get it resolved.
BrandiATMuhkuh 10y ago
If you want to get some insight of ML tech, simply ask Thomas Furness (http://www.hitl.washington.edu/people/person.php?name=tfurness http://www.hitl.washington.edu/people/person.php?name=tfurne...). He was the Prof. of the ML guys and developed many of the patents with them. He is a pretty cool guy (I'm not just saying that because he was also my Prof.) and easily approachable.
kguttag 10y ago
FYI, My blog that went down last night is back up, at least for now, but it may be slow. At least recently it is running better. I'm starting to wonder if there was a problem with the hosting service.

128 points by mmastrac 10y ago

swrobel 10y ago

Mirror?

mgrpowers 10y ago
No, magic.
- DonHopkins 10y ago
  Where there's smoke, there's magic.
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
    Or at least, there was magic.
smlacy 10y ago
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.kguttag.com/2016/11/20/magic-leap-separating-magic-and-reality/ http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://...

cma 10y ago

Keep in mind he openly disclosed in his first post that he bought EMagin and is hoping to pump up their stock price by saying Magic Leap may be using microdisplays or other tech instead of scanning fiber projectors. That isn't illegal if he isn't lying or anything, but whether he is right or not, he isn't an unbiased source. He was also eviscerated here and never replied, though he replies to almost every other reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/magicleap/comments/5c337v/magic_leaps_videos_appear_to_be_using_oled/d9uokuq/ https://www.reddit.com/r/magicleap/comments/5c337v/magic_lea... (disclaimer: I own a small amount of EMagin from before his post)

kguttag 10y ago
Hi, I'm not sure what you think eviscerated me. My information is factual. I try to answer all responses but I am getting a LOT responses and I may have missed some at reddit. It is best to go to the comment section on my site. It turns out that Magic Leap does use Mico-OLED in one of its prototype, but they are also using DLPs and LCOS. My subsequent posts point this out. I warned people that it was just a hunch. I kept my stake in eMagin at least for the time being, but as I said it was a small stake for me. BTW, my website is down right now. I found out that there was a lot of traffic from Hacker News while trying to see what was going on which is what brought me here. I'm on hold with tech support right now.
- cma 10y ago
  >I'm not sure what you think eviscerated me. After he showed you the caption on the images all you came back with was a statement (via an edit to your post) that the first image was still an "artists concept" (it isn't, highlighting the projector's field of view and pointing out that it was done in the caption isn't anything like an "artist's concept"). And then for the second image you said it "might be real." That means you are essentially accusing the researchers and saying they "might" be faking the second image and committing research fraud. Their caption says, "the bottom photo is unaltered." (shameless edit: I have VR and mixed-reality experience including relighting the real-world with game-engine lighting. If any Magic Leap guys are browsing the thread and looking for third party content devs or recruiting, send an email to mljobcandidate@gmail.com!)
  - jv22222 10y ago
    +1 for the hustle and, yes, I'm expecting down votes ;)
  - kguttag 10y ago
    You are shameless alright. OK, I was answering a lot of questions that day and I went to the direct links the person gave to the jpeg images and not the paper. The first one was obviously altered but the picture I saw did not have the caption. Same for the second, I never saw the caption or that paper before I went back to check tonight. As for speckle, it would not have shown up in the low resolution pictures. It might also not be there due to the vibrating fiber (some types of vibration will essentially eliminate speckle but usually it has to be the screen that is vibrate). BTW, my website may be down for a while.

zappo2938 10y ago

Magic Leaps website downloads 1GB (edit) of high def video every 10 minutes to my mobile phone. I have some serious doubts about their understanding of how technology works or even if they give a crap.

cma 10y ago
You phone has a 13.33gbps connection?
- zappo2938 10y ago
  I meant gigabyte. I'm trying to find the screen grab I made using Charles Web Debugging Proxy which was over wifi. Regardless, the videos on their front page just keep loading and don't stop on mobile devices.
  - kordless 10y ago
    The marketing team at a company and the technology team at a company are comprised of completely different people. Your comments are ad hominem based and biased. Without being present in the company yourself, you have no idea what they are capable of building based off observations from their website's efficiencies. That said, I have serious doubts about their ability to secure the hardware and software from intruders who believe it is just another objective reality in which they may speak and act for others.
    - zappo2938 10y ago
      If they are going to acquire that much venture capital, the same as Theranos did, over other, perhaps, more deserving startups who don't actively bullshit investors I have no problem holding their feet to the fire. When their only example so far of what they are capable of with technology is their website which is a hack I feel it is a valid criticism and should cast doubt about what they are capable of. Yes they have a small group of talented researchers in Washington but the rest of the company is smoke and mirrors. It is also rude to do that to mobile users.

jecjec 10y ago

The site is 500ing, does anyone have a mirror?

suhith 10y ago
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S5Jsin1-kFcJ:www.kguttag.com/2016/11/20/magic-leap-separating-magic-and-reality/+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S5Jsin1...

benkarst 10y ago

The link is broken for me.

kguttag 10y ago
The site when down about a hour ago. I'm on the line with tech support of my hosting service to try and get it resolved.

BrandiATMuhkuh 10y ago

If you want to get some insight of ML tech, simply ask Thomas Furness (http://www.hitl.washington.edu/people/person.php?name=tfurness http://www.hitl.washington.edu/people/person.php?name=tfurne...). He was the Prof. of the ML guys and developed many of the patents with them. He is a pretty cool guy (I'm not just saying that because he was also my Prof.) and easily approachable.

kguttag 10y ago

FYI, My blog that went down last night is back up, at least for now, but it may be slow. At least recently it is running better. I'm starting to wonder if there was a problem with the hosting service.