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I think you make an excellent point in your other post, it's hard to tell when a website is keyboard accessible or not. I have no idea of the top of my head wh

I think you make an excellent point in your other post, it's hard to tell when a website is keyboard accessible or not. I have no idea of the top of my head whether the New York Times, CNN or YouPorn* are navigable via the keyboard. Nobody advertises it and I didn't know that there was a crossover between screen readers and keyboard use, thanks for the info. Personally I solved the problem, well I looked in the chrome extension store and use an extension called Vimium[1]. Without that extension I would not be able to browse the Internet as quickly as I do, you simply learn a few keyboard shortcuts and when you press say the letter F it places little yellow boxes above every link with a number in each box. You type the numbers and follow the link, I do this by speaking the numbers out loud with my voice but people do in other ways too. One of the most useful and unintended accessibility products on the web, if this could be incorporated into every website then problem solved largely! [1]: https://vimium.github.io/ https://vimium.github.io/ * Obviously I've never visited this site, I've just heard other people talking about it.

extra88 10y ago
Thanks for the link, I like learning about solutions to accessibility problems using tools that weren't specifically designed for that purpose. I think it's actually better for each site to not try to bake this in because each one will do things differently and take some of the control out of the individual's hands. I think it's better for them to code to web standards so each individual's tools can work with them; e.g. instead of writing a <div> with a click event that opens a URL, just use <a href>. That's a somewhat contrived example but using a <div> with a click event where they should use a <button> is very common. You use a Mac, right? Do you not use Dragon for Mac for voice dictation? They do have web extensions for Safari and Firefox (not Chrome, only Dragon NaturallySpeaking for PC has a Chrome extension). http://www.nuance.com/dragon/extensions5/index.htm http://www.nuance.com/dragon/extensions5/index.htm
- escapologybb 10y ago
  You make some excellent points and after thinking about some more I think one of the most difficult things to do is explore a website, yes I could tab through every link when a webpage has been coded to proper standards but if there was some way for me to explore our website without having to do that, that would be awesome. Yes, that was just one example of what it could do. The whole extension was a number of things and I was talking about the suite of tools being something that you could maybe toggle on and off in the browser. For instance pressing the letter F brings up a load of boxes with numbers in and when you type in those numbers you follow the URL, but if you press the letter C and then type a number that comes up it copies the URL of the page you are onto the clipboard. I'm not all web developer so I don't know how feasible this would be, but if I could flick on that extensions functionality in any browser that would be awesome. If you're watching Vimium person, thanks! Yes I am on a Mac and I have tried the extensions in Dragon 5 and they are absolutely abysmal, they don't work most of the time and caused my browser to crash. In fact DragonDictate 5 was so bad that I've downgraded back to version 4, the recognition accuracy went through the floor, the ability to manipulate custom commands was changed beyond recognition to the point of uselessness, it was unstable and crashed all the time and was generally terrible. Really weird, as version 4 is a solid as a rock and has been since the day I bought it. Which is why I tried version 5 on a Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, iMac, different MacBook Pro and a number of different versions of OS X all with the same terrible result. Must've been a Friday.

extra88 10y ago

Thanks for the link, I like learning about solutions to accessibility problems using tools that weren't specifically designed for that purpose. I think it's actually better for each site to not try to bake this in because each one will do things differently and take some of the control out of the individual's hands. I think it's better for them to code to web standards so each individual's tools can work with them; e.g. instead of writing a <div> with a click event that opens a URL, just use <a href>. That's a somewhat contrived example but using a <div> with a click event where they should use a <button> is very common. You use a Mac, right? Do you not use Dragon for Mac for voice dictation? They do have web extensions for Safari and Firefox (not Chrome, only Dragon NaturallySpeaking for PC has a Chrome extension). http://www.nuance.com/dragon/extensions5/index.htm http://www.nuance.com/dragon/extensions5/index.htm

escapologybb 10y ago
You make some excellent points and after thinking about some more I think one of the most difficult things to do is explore a website, yes I could tab through every link when a webpage has been coded to proper standards but if there was some way for me to explore our website without having to do that, that would be awesome. Yes, that was just one example of what it could do. The whole extension was a number of things and I was talking about the suite of tools being something that you could maybe toggle on and off in the browser. For instance pressing the letter F brings up a load of boxes with numbers in and when you type in those numbers you follow the URL, but if you press the letter C and then type a number that comes up it copies the URL of the page you are onto the clipboard. I'm not all web developer so I don't know how feasible this would be, but if I could flick on that extensions functionality in any browser that would be awesome. If you're watching Vimium person, thanks! Yes I am on a Mac and I have tried the extensions in Dragon 5 and they are absolutely abysmal, they don't work most of the time and caused my browser to crash. In fact DragonDictate 5 was so bad that I've downgraded back to version 4, the recognition accuracy went through the floor, the ability to manipulate custom commands was changed beyond recognition to the point of uselessness, it was unstable and crashed all the time and was generally terrible. Really weird, as version 4 is a solid as a rock and has been since the day I bought it. Which is why I tried version 5 on a Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, iMac, different MacBook Pro and a number of different versions of OS X all with the same terrible result. Must've been a Friday.