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It's funny because there are some easy changes governments could make which aren't even in telling people what to do. We literally give billions to animal ag i

It's funny because there are some easy changes governments could make which aren't even in telling people what to do. We literally give billions to animal ag industries in subsidies, we could just stop that. Take it a step further and use that money to actually fund alternatives so they're substantially cheaper for the public. The fact that almond/coconut milk is more expensive than cow milk speaks volumes about how the system is set up. Another step, which the FDA almost did this year, is advise people to eat less animals because it's awful for the environment. In general just making the message more visible would help. The last one is kind of telling people what to do, but the FDA already does that anyway so it's not too much of a change.

ant6n 10y ago
Is almond milk really better than cow milk in terms of impact?
- Lewton 10y ago
  Why was this (ant6n's) post downvoted? It's a legitimate question https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/oct/21/almond-milk-quite-good-for-you-very-bad-for-the-planet https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/oct/...
  - r00fus 10y ago
    I was about to rebut you, but the facts remain: The largest supplier (by far) of almonds in the world is California. So yeah, if you drink almond milk it's likely sourced from CA using up precious water that is causing the CA central valley to literally sink [1], as much as several inches a month (ie, several feet so far). However, almonds pale in comparison to cows or other livestock in terms of water usage (esp when used as meat) - while consuming large quantities of almonds may not be sustainable, it's a lot better than eating meat... just may be as water-unsustainable as drinking local milk (if you live in CA). [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/28/california-central-valley-sinking-farmers-deepwater-wells https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/28/california-c...
    - ant6n 10y ago
      But meat cows and milk cows are not the same thing. You need to grow a whole cow to have the meat of one cow, but if you grow one milk-cow you have the life-time supply of one cow. The water to meat (weight) ratio may be in the thousands or ten thousands, but the water to milk ratio may be in the oughts or tens.
      - botexpert 10y ago
        Milk cows carry a baby every year which puts more pressure on metabolism needs. Milk is more energy and water inefficient than meat ( same scale comparison).
- greeneggs 10y ago
  In terms of global warming, almond milk seems to be about 4.6 times better than cow milk. On page 8 of [1], they claim that CO2-equivalent emissions are 0.36 kg/L almond milk, and 1.67 kg/L cow milk. (Note: This is somebody's class report, not a peer-reviewed publication.) There is some uncertainty in these numbers, of course. If you care more about water usage, then 1L of almond milk uses on the order of 1600 gallons of water, compared to under 100 gallons of water per liter of cow milk. Again, there is some uncertainty. And I think CO2-equivalent emissions is far more important. [1] http://www.environment.ucla.edu/perch/resources/images/cow-vs-almond-milk-1.pdf http://www.environment.ucla.edu/perch/resources/images/cow-v...
  - marricks 10y ago
    Does the cow milk water usage compare the water used in the crops to feed the cows? It seems staggering to me that water used would be so much less.
    - akiselev 10y ago
      Although trees generally conserve water much better than animals, you need to support the entire almond tree for a few almonds whereas the cow's entire body will be used for a variety of products. The water usage of the agricultural infrastructure supporting the cow may be higher in absolute numbers but a single cow is literally hundreds or thousands of pounds of useful meat and bone after it is no longer useful as a milking cow.
_coldfire 10y ago
>We literally give billions to animal ag industries in subsidies, we could just stop that. I'm in agreeance with your suggestions, but note that Indonesia has large protests over small increases in meat costs. There's a political reality to dramatically raising food prices in a democracy.

ant6n 10y ago

Is almond milk really better than cow milk in terms of impact?

Lewton 10y ago
Why was this (ant6n's) post downvoted? It's a legitimate question https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/oct/21/almond-milk-quite-good-for-you-very-bad-for-the-planet https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/oct/...
- r00fus 10y ago
  I was about to rebut you, but the facts remain: The largest supplier (by far) of almonds in the world is California. So yeah, if you drink almond milk it's likely sourced from CA using up precious water that is causing the CA central valley to literally sink [1], as much as several inches a month (ie, several feet so far). However, almonds pale in comparison to cows or other livestock in terms of water usage (esp when used as meat) - while consuming large quantities of almonds may not be sustainable, it's a lot better than eating meat... just may be as water-unsustainable as drinking local milk (if you live in CA). [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/28/california-central-valley-sinking-farmers-deepwater-wells https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/28/california-c...
  - ant6n 10y ago
    But meat cows and milk cows are not the same thing. You need to grow a whole cow to have the meat of one cow, but if you grow one milk-cow you have the life-time supply of one cow. The water to meat (weight) ratio may be in the thousands or ten thousands, but the water to milk ratio may be in the oughts or tens.
    - botexpert 10y ago
      Milk cows carry a baby every year which puts more pressure on metabolism needs. Milk is more energy and water inefficient than meat ( same scale comparison).
greeneggs 10y ago
In terms of global warming, almond milk seems to be about 4.6 times better than cow milk. On page 8 of [1], they claim that CO2-equivalent emissions are 0.36 kg/L almond milk, and 1.67 kg/L cow milk. (Note: This is somebody's class report, not a peer-reviewed publication.) There is some uncertainty in these numbers, of course. If you care more about water usage, then 1L of almond milk uses on the order of 1600 gallons of water, compared to under 100 gallons of water per liter of cow milk. Again, there is some uncertainty. And I think CO2-equivalent emissions is far more important. [1] http://www.environment.ucla.edu/perch/resources/images/cow-vs-almond-milk-1.pdf http://www.environment.ucla.edu/perch/resources/images/cow-v...
- marricks 10y ago
  Does the cow milk water usage compare the water used in the crops to feed the cows? It seems staggering to me that water used would be so much less.
  - akiselev 10y ago
    Although trees generally conserve water much better than animals, you need to support the entire almond tree for a few almonds whereas the cow's entire body will be used for a variety of products. The water usage of the agricultural infrastructure supporting the cow may be higher in absolute numbers but a single cow is literally hundreds or thousands of pounds of useful meat and bone after it is no longer useful as a milking cow.

_coldfire 10y ago

>We literally give billions to animal ag industries in subsidies, we could just stop that. I'm in agreeance with your suggestions, but note that Indonesia has large protests over small increases in meat costs. There's a political reality to dramatically raising food prices in a democracy.