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Ok i think i get it. the problem isnt the id, its the getting it. So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? Does any one have real objection

Ok i think i get it. the problem isnt the id, its the getting it. So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? Does any one have real objection to ids beyond difficulty to get it?

darpa_escapee 10y ago
I do: there is no evidence of voter fraud and America has a long history of using measures at the polls to prevent certain demographics, particularly black people, from voting. We made it illegal for black people to vote. Then they were given suffrage. So we had a poll test, pushed because people knew black people were less likely to be able to read. And we had a poll tax, pushed because we knew black people were less likely to be able to afford the tax. Those were made illegal. Now we have voter ID laws, pushed because a certain party knows it will prevent certain demographics from voting. Those are being made illegal in the states that they've been passed in. We need to look at these laws in a historical context. > So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? That would defeat the purpose of voter ID laws in America. I agree, if these laws were being promoted in good faith, there would be a well-funded initiative to get every single eligible voter a voter ID like there was in India. We wouldn't be closing down 31 DMVs in a state that just passed a voter ID law. But these laws aren't being pushed in good faith, they are being pushed for their downstream effects: less people will vote and, more importantly, less people in demographics who tend to vote for a certain party will vote.
- beachstartup 10y ago
  pushing this narrative just cost the democrats all 3 branches of government. very few people still believe it, or care.
  - darpa_escapee 10y ago
    Without sources, we'll have to agree to disagree.
  - rokosbasilisk 10y ago
    absolutely, this election showed there is a huge gap between the common people and the elite in their beliefs and why Im still trying to understand myself.
- rokosbasilisk 10y ago
  You might want to talk to people outside your filter bubble, because fraud was and is still a hot topic of discussion all the way from the hillary bernie primary to the recent recounts.
  - beachstartup 10y ago
    he most likely works for CTR or some other PAC. am i supposed to believe some guy armed with pages of copy-pasted rhetoric and research is just some random schmoe perusing unrelated threads on HN? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record
    - darpa_escapee 10y ago
      I spent the time to research my arguments because I'd like to have a discussion with facts. Literally all of my citations are from page one on Google. It took 5 minutes. It concerns me that you are having this discussion and are not used to things like citations backing up arguments. > just some random schmoe perusing unrelated threads on HN? Hi. Want a link to my GitHub or personal website? > he most likely works for CTR or some other PAC I am a software developer and contractor. I work for myself, thanks. The level of tinfoil hattery in this post is off the charts.

Ok i think i get it. the problem isnt the id, its the getting it. So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? Does any one have real objection to ids beyond difficulty to get it?

darpa_escapee 10y ago

I do: there is no evidence of voter fraud and America has a long history of using measures at the polls to prevent certain demographics, particularly black people, from voting. We made it illegal for black people to vote. Then they were given suffrage. So we had a poll test, pushed because people knew black people were less likely to be able to read. And we had a poll tax, pushed because we knew black people were less likely to be able to afford the tax. Those were made illegal. Now we have voter ID laws, pushed because a certain party knows it will prevent certain demographics from voting. Those are being made illegal in the states that they've been passed in. We need to look at these laws in a historical context. > So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? That would defeat the purpose of voter ID laws in America. I agree, if these laws were being promoted in good faith, there would be a well-funded initiative to get every single eligible voter a voter ID like there was in India. We wouldn't be closing down 31 DMVs in a state that just passed a voter ID law. But these laws aren't being pushed in good faith, they are being pushed for their downstream effects: less people will vote and, more importantly, less people in demographics who tend to vote for a certain party will vote.

beachstartup 10y ago
pushing this narrative just cost the democrats all 3 branches of government. very few people still believe it, or care.
- darpa_escapee 10y ago
  Without sources, we'll have to agree to disagree.
- rokosbasilisk 10y ago
  absolutely, this election showed there is a huge gap between the common people and the elite in their beliefs and why Im still trying to understand myself.
rokosbasilisk 10y ago
You might want to talk to people outside your filter bubble, because fraud was and is still a hot topic of discussion all the way from the hillary bernie primary to the recent recounts.
- beachstartup 10y ago
  he most likely works for CTR or some other PAC. am i supposed to believe some guy armed with pages of copy-pasted rhetoric and research is just some random schmoe perusing unrelated threads on HN? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record
  - darpa_escapee 10y ago
    I spent the time to research my arguments because I'd like to have a discussion with facts. Literally all of my citations are from page one on Google. It took 5 minutes. It concerns me that you are having this discussion and are not used to things like citations backing up arguments. > just some random schmoe perusing unrelated threads on HN? Hi. Want a link to my GitHub or personal website? > he most likely works for CTR or some other PAC I am a software developer and contractor. I work for myself, thanks. The level of tinfoil hattery in this post is off the charts.