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Then you are basing your opinion on a feeling or your reasoning doesn't reflect reality [0] [1] [2] [3]. According to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on Jul
by darpa_escapee 10y ago
Then you are basing your opinion on a feeling or your reasoning doesn't reflect reality [0] [1] [2] [3].
According to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on July 20th, 2016 with regards to Texas' voter ID initiative (SB 14) [1]:
> Some of the dissenting opinions argue that the majority opinion holds the Legislature “liable for racial disparities [it] did not create” by failing to show that the statistical disparity in ID possession among different races is caused by a State policy, as opposed to socioeconomic and historical conditions. In fact, as discussed above, the district court found that SB 14 creates a racial disparity by requiring the use of certain IDs to vote that minorities disproportionately lack. Certainly the passage of SB 14 did not cause fewer minorities to possess certain IDs (like driver’s licenses or concealed handgun licenses). Rather, the district court found that socioeconomic and historical conditions contributed to this disparity in ID possession, which demonstrates why historical evidence of racism is relevant to the Section 2 analysis.
> But SB 14 itself caused minorities to disproportionately lack the documentation that is required to vote by dictating that the documents and IDs required would be those that minorities disproportionately lack. We cannot ignore that in passing SB 14, the Legislature carefully selected the types of IDs that would be required to vote. In doing so, the Legislature selected IDs that minorities disproportionately do not possess and excluded IDs that minorities possess in greater numbers, without providing sufficient justification for those choices.
> The fact that this occurred on a landscape where minorities are less likely to possess certain forms of ID or be able to obtain those IDs, at least in part as a result of past instances of State-sponsored discrimination, does not absolve the Legislature of responsibility. Accordingly, the district court’s conclusion that SB 14 created racial disparities in the possession of IDs required to vote is supported by the record.
It's a little odd how, when voter ID laws are passed in certain states, 31 DMV locations are immediately closed[0]. It's almost as if those pushing for the policy don't want people to get an ID and vote, because people without ID tend to be in a certain demographic that doesn't vote for your party.
[0] "Planned DMV closures in Alabama adds urgency to push to restore the Voting Rights Act" - https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closures-alabama-adds-urgency-push-restore-voting-rights-act https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closur...
[1] "Why Voter ID Is Racial Discrimination, for the Record
Republican supporters of voter ID laws have been more than candid about how they help their political chances." - http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/07/why-voter-id-is-racial-discrimination-on-the-record/492347/?utm_source=nl__link6_072216 http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/07/why-voter-id-is-raci...
[2] "Court: North Carolina Voter ID Law Targeted Black Voters" - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/court-north-carolina-voter-id-law-targeted-black-voters/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/court-north-caroli...
[3] "Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly." - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a...
- rokosbasilisk 10y agoOk i think i get it. the problem isnt the id, its the getting it. So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? Does any one have real objection to ids beyond difficulty to get it?
- darpa_escapee 10y agoI do: there is no evidence of voter fraud and America has a long history of using measures at the polls to prevent certain demographics, particularly black people, from voting. We made it illegal for black people to vote. Then they were given suffrage. So we had a poll test, pushed because people knew black people were less likely to be able to read. And we had a poll tax, pushed because we knew black people were less likely to be able to afford the tax. Those were made illegal. Now we have voter ID laws, pushed because a certain party knows it will prevent certain demographics from voting. Those are being made illegal in the states that they've been passed in. We need to look at these laws in a historical context. > So why cant we do what india did for over a billion people ? That would defeat the purpose of voter ID laws in America. I agree, if these laws were being promoted in good faith, there would be a well-funded initiative to get every single eligible voter a voter ID like there was in India. We wouldn't be closing down 31 DMVs in a state that just passed a voter ID law. But these laws aren't being pushed in good faith, they are being pushed for their downstream effects: less people will vote and, more importantly, less people in demographics who tend to vote for a certain party will vote.
- beachstartup 10y agopushing this narrative just cost the democrats all 3 branches of government. very few people still believe it, or care.
- darpa_escapee 10y agoWithout sources, we'll have to agree to disagree.
- rokosbasilisk 10y ago