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so india wanted to voter id to prevent black people from voting ? seriously the race stuff just doesnt matter if we follow the indian model. You need to stop p

so india wanted to voter id to prevent black people from voting ? seriously the race stuff just doesnt matter if we follow the indian model. You need to stop projecting your strawmen on me. Also Ive had to give identity checks and credit checks before renting, so maybe your the one who needs to reevaulate why you believe people dont need id cards.

darpa_escapee 10y ago
If there isn't evidence of actual voter fraud that a voter ID can prevent, what does implementing a voter ID propose to fix? It seems like a feel good measure to help a subset of people feel warm and fuzzy, with a documented reality [1] [2] [3] [4] that voter ID laws have been struck down in various states because courts have found them to selectively and maliciously discriminatory by design. India went out of its way to ensure its populace had ID or was able to get ID. They go out of their way to place polling locations where they are accessible to remote and disenfranchised population (example: putting polling locations on sides of mountains, while we close the polls two hours after people get out of work). Polling locations were mandatory every 2km from where people lived in India. In America, we enact voter ID laws, then close 31 DMV locations immediately [0]. The difference is that in America, much like a poll tax or test, these initiatives are implemented to prevent certain people from voting, otherwise there would be a sweeping reform to _ensure_ every eligible voter had an ID card. That isn't the case and courts agree [1] [2] [3] [4]. 97% of India's population was given a voter ID (EPIC) card. Indians without an EPIC card have over 12 options for identifying documents which they can present at polls. [0] https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closures-alabama-adds-urgency-push-restore-voting-rights-act https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closur... [1] http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/supreme-court-north-carolina-voter-id/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/supreme-court-north-c... [2] http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/07/why-voter-id-is-racial-discrimination-on-the-record/492347/?utm_source=nl__link6_072216 http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/07/why-voter-id-is-raci... [3] http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/supreme-court-strikes-arizona-voter-id-law/story?id=19420230 http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/supreme-court-strik... [4] http://www.governing.com/topics/elections/gov-voter-id-rulings-north-dakota-wisconsin-north-carolina.html http://www.governing.com/topics/elections/gov-voter-id-rulin...
- rokosbasilisk 10y ago
  So we do it in good faith because all parties are trying to destroy the integrity of the democratic process, and that is not a good thing. We need to show good faith measures to restore the percieved decline of election integrity. Also for the cost of the recounts, we could do something very close to the indian model.

darpa_escapee 10y ago

If there isn't evidence of actual voter fraud that a voter ID can prevent, what does implementing a voter ID propose to fix? It seems like a feel good measure to help a subset of people feel warm and fuzzy, with a documented reality [1] [2] [3] [4] that voter ID laws have been struck down in various states because courts have found them to selectively and maliciously discriminatory by design. India went out of its way to ensure its populace had ID or was able to get ID. They go out of their way to place polling locations where they are accessible to remote and disenfranchised population (example: putting polling locations on sides of mountains, while we close the polls two hours after people get out of work). Polling locations were mandatory every 2km from where people lived in India. In America, we enact voter ID laws, then close 31 DMV locations immediately [0]. The difference is that in America, much like a poll tax or test, these initiatives are implemented to prevent certain people from voting, otherwise there would be a sweeping reform to _ensure_ every eligible voter had an ID card. That isn't the case and courts agree [1] [2] [3] [4]. 97% of India's population was given a voter ID (EPIC) card. Indians without an EPIC card have over 12 options for identifying documents which they can present at polls. [0] https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closures-alabama-adds-urgency-push-restore-voting-rights-act https://www.splcenter.org/news/2015/10/02/planned-dmv-closur... [1] http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/supreme-court-north-carolina-voter-id/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/politics/supreme-court-north-c... [2] http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/07/why-voter-id-is-racial-discrimination-on-the-record/492347/?utm_source=nl__link6_072216 http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/07/why-voter-id-is-raci... [3] http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/supreme-court-strikes-arizona-voter-id-law/story?id=19420230 http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/supreme-court-strik... [4] http://www.governing.com/topics/elections/gov-voter-id-rulings-north-dakota-wisconsin-north-carolina.html http://www.governing.com/topics/elections/gov-voter-id-rulin...

rokosbasilisk 10y ago
So we do it in good faith because all parties are trying to destroy the integrity of the democratic process, and that is not a good thing. We need to show good faith measures to restore the percieved decline of election integrity. Also for the cost of the recounts, we could do something very close to the indian model.