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What happens after you expel Muslims? I'm assuming you won't find another scapegoat minority to pin all of your problems on. Definitely not, since Europe has ne

by Cyph0n 10y ago

What happens after you expel Muslims? I'm assuming you won't find another scapegoat minority to pin all of your problems on. Definitely not, since Europe has never done that before. Regarding safety, you're telling me that your girlfriend will feel safe walking alone once there are no Muslims? Makes sense, I guess, since we Muslims designed the concepts of rape and burglary. Seriously though, there is some merit to what Italy is doing, but such a system can easily be abused. Extremism - of any kind! - is a tough problem to deal with.

piotrjurkiewicz 10y ago
> I'm assuming you won't find another scapegoat minority to pin all of your problems on. I fully agree with you. Muslims are just scapegoated, because they are minority. It has nothing to do with all these attacks, rapes, Calais, Rotherham. This is particularly vile having in mind that Muslims always belonged to Europe and Islamic tradition is the root of its culture. They are fully entitled to Europe. Or, if not fully, at least much more than those occupants who have been living for the last 2000 years.
- throwaway7312 10y ago
  Definitely. If it wasn't Muslim youths blowing themselves up, castrating people in the Bataclan, and running over people in trucks, it'd be Protestant and Roman Catholic youths. Or maybe atheists. Atheists are usually pretty angry. We should bring in more Muslims, to make the Muslims who are already here feel more comfortable, so they don't blow up as much.
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- Cyph0n 10y ago
  No, they did not. There are 1+ billion Muslims worldwide. There are over 5 million in France alone. If all Muslims actually supported the vile, disgusting acts that you speak of, Europe would be in pure chaos! Just imagine if 5 million "terrorists" went on a rampage in France. The fact that such terrible incidents are few and far in between is proof that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with it. Ironically, most of the perpetrators of the recent terrorist attacks in Europe were quite assimilated into local culture. They drank, did not pray, and didn't actually know the basics of Islam in general! I believe that they were easy targets for recruiters because of their lack of knowledge. Moreover, I'm not sure how you can call someone who doesn't know how to practice a religion a follower of said religion.
  - piotrjurkiewicz 10y ago
    I know that, but this makes the whole issue even more dangerous. People who were living their whole life like Europeans, were not interested in Islamic culture and religion, can wake up one day and attack in the name of it. It shows that cultural identity is hard wired much more deeper than many think and assimilation is in fact impossible.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      No it doesn't. It shows that some people are susceptible to being groomed by extremists.
    - Cyph0n 10y ago
      No, in my view it shows that assimilation isn't objectively better in all cases. In other words, pressuring people to shed away their culture and customs because you're afraid or annoyed by their "otherness" can sometimes backfire. This is why laws that target minorities aren't a good idea. I am not saying that it's OK to murder innocents because of such laws! But I am saying that forced assimilation can push some types of people to an extreme viewpoint. It also shows that the techniques recruiters use can be effective on some people.
  - vixen99 10y ago
    We all know that the majority of Muslims are peaceful people. Sadly though, as Bridget Gabriel has pointed out, 'the peaceable majority are irrelevant'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s as this list demonstrates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_att...
- dang 10y ago
  What a vile instance of religious flamewar. Given how many times we've asked you to not to flout the intent of this site—which is civil, substantive discussion, the polar opposite of religious flamewar—we'd ban you for this comment alone. But we'd already banned you before I saw it, and banning is idempotent. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13096703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13096703
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by Cyph0n 10y ago

piotrjurkiewicz 10y ago

> I'm assuming you won't find another scapegoat minority to pin all of your problems on. I fully agree with you. Muslims are just scapegoated, because they are minority. It has nothing to do with all these attacks, rapes, Calais, Rotherham. This is particularly vile having in mind that Muslims always belonged to Europe and Islamic tradition is the root of its culture. They are fully entitled to Europe. Or, if not fully, at least much more than those occupants who have been living for the last 2000 years.

throwaway7312 10y ago
Definitely. If it wasn't Muslim youths blowing themselves up, castrating people in the Bataclan, and running over people in trucks, it'd be Protestant and Roman Catholic youths. Or maybe atheists. Atheists are usually pretty angry. We should bring in more Muslims, to make the Muslims who are already here feel more comfortable, so they don't blow up as much.
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Cyph0n 10y ago
No, they did not. There are 1+ billion Muslims worldwide. There are over 5 million in France alone. If all Muslims actually supported the vile, disgusting acts that you speak of, Europe would be in pure chaos! Just imagine if 5 million "terrorists" went on a rampage in France. The fact that such terrible incidents are few and far in between is proof that the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with it. Ironically, most of the perpetrators of the recent terrorist attacks in Europe were quite assimilated into local culture. They drank, did not pray, and didn't actually know the basics of Islam in general! I believe that they were easy targets for recruiters because of their lack of knowledge. Moreover, I'm not sure how you can call someone who doesn't know how to practice a religion a follower of said religion.
- piotrjurkiewicz 10y ago
  I know that, but this makes the whole issue even more dangerous. People who were living their whole life like Europeans, were not interested in Islamic culture and religion, can wake up one day and attack in the name of it. It shows that cultural identity is hard wired much more deeper than many think and assimilation is in fact impossible.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    No it doesn't. It shows that some people are susceptible to being groomed by extremists.
  - Cyph0n 10y ago
    No, in my view it shows that assimilation isn't objectively better in all cases. In other words, pressuring people to shed away their culture and customs because you're afraid or annoyed by their "otherness" can sometimes backfire. This is why laws that target minorities aren't a good idea. I am not saying that it's OK to murder innocents because of such laws! But I am saying that forced assimilation can push some types of people to an extreme viewpoint. It also shows that the techniques recruiters use can be effective on some people.
- vixen99 10y ago
  We all know that the majority of Muslims are peaceful people. Sadly though, as Bridget Gabriel has pointed out, 'the peaceable majority are irrelevant'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s as this list demonstrates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_att...
dang 10y ago
What a vile instance of religious flamewar. Given how many times we've asked you to not to flout the intent of this site—which is civil, substantive discussion, the polar opposite of religious flamewar—we'd ban you for this comment alone. But we'd already banned you before I saw it, and banning is idempotent. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13096703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13096703

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