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Depression isn't cancer. That's not to be confused with making light of it, or saying it isn't an illness. "Experimenting" won't be easy/doable for everyone suf

by corin_ 10y ago

Depression isn't cancer. That's not to be confused with making light of it, or saying it isn't an illness. "Experimenting" won't be easy/doable for everyone suffering from depression, and for many people the experimenting should be done with the help of one or more professionals, but ultimately experimenting is all you can do. Maybe that means trying different antidepressants until one works for you, maybe therapy, maybe life changes... depression affects different people differently, and for different reasons, and it's common knowledg that different people need to treat it in different ways.

DanBC 10y ago
> and it's common knowledg that different people need to treat it in different ways. Sure. Parent poster is suggesting people with a potentially fatal illness try experimenting with random hallucinogens. Doesn't that strike you as irresponsible?
- icantdrive55 10y ago
  I hate to bring this up, but treatment of depression, anxiety, and I gather, most mental illness is an Art. Psychiatry should be extremely embarrassed of just how little progress they made over the years. This lack of sleep trick has been practiced in most psychiatric hospitals for at least a decade, or more. As usual, they don't have a clue to why it helps some depressed patients, but it does. I am extremely dissapointed in the treatment of mental illness. Some days I think the profession does more harm than good. I've personally kinda given up. I do know this, we have made just living too hard. It shouldn't be this difficult. "Yes, life is difficult." By the rich MD, but life shouldn't be like this. Plus, we should be a lot more understanding of our fellow inmates. Yes--we are all in this chit hole together. People are bombarded on what supposed failures they are daily; that needs to stop. Media is the worst offender. And it's all designed to buy their products. I see nothing wrong with self medicating by sleep deprivation. I see a lot wrong with giving some Golden Boy $350 hour for dubious advice, especially if your insurance doesn't cover the Doctor's rediculious fees, and high priced dubious drugs. If your reading this and depressed; just try walking for at least 30 min a day, depending on your health. Fast walk, or run if you can. It's been The only thing that very helped me with my minor, dysthymia(low level depression). The only thing.
- danvayn 10y ago
  No. It worked for me.
- imagist 10y ago
  You can't claim the scientific high ground based on how things "strike you".
- corin_ 10y ago
  I was responding specifically to what you quoted, and didn't commit to memory your parent's comment - which I guess has now removed the mention of hallucinogens. (I do remember seeing "LSD" when skim-reading, so not questioning your assertion that it was mentioned.) As to specifically experimenting with hallucinogens: there's growing evidence that they can be helpful in treating depression, from anecdotes to studies - most recently, a couple of days ago: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/01/magic-mushroom-ingredient-psilocybin-can-lift-depression-studies-show https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/01/magic-mushro... Should people be recommended to try these sorts of drugs without proper guidance and likely supervision? Generally I'd say no. But if they can provide people with the help they need, and the legal system doesn't allow for a formal way of using them, I do support people discussing their use, ideally with disclaimers about potential risks and how to use as safely as possible.

by corin_ 10y ago

DanBC 10y ago

> and it's common knowledg that different people need to treat it in different ways. Sure. Parent poster is suggesting people with a potentially fatal illness try experimenting with random hallucinogens. Doesn't that strike you as irresponsible?

icantdrive55 10y ago
I hate to bring this up, but treatment of depression, anxiety, and I gather, most mental illness is an Art. Psychiatry should be extremely embarrassed of just how little progress they made over the years. This lack of sleep trick has been practiced in most psychiatric hospitals for at least a decade, or more. As usual, they don't have a clue to why it helps some depressed patients, but it does. I am extremely dissapointed in the treatment of mental illness. Some days I think the profession does more harm than good. I've personally kinda given up. I do know this, we have made just living too hard. It shouldn't be this difficult. "Yes, life is difficult." By the rich MD, but life shouldn't be like this. Plus, we should be a lot more understanding of our fellow inmates. Yes--we are all in this chit hole together. People are bombarded on what supposed failures they are daily; that needs to stop. Media is the worst offender. And it's all designed to buy their products. I see nothing wrong with self medicating by sleep deprivation. I see a lot wrong with giving some Golden Boy $350 hour for dubious advice, especially if your insurance doesn't cover the Doctor's rediculious fees, and high priced dubious drugs. If your reading this and depressed; just try walking for at least 30 min a day, depending on your health. Fast walk, or run if you can. It's been The only thing that very helped me with my minor, dysthymia(low level depression). The only thing.
danvayn 10y ago
No. It worked for me.
imagist 10y ago
You can't claim the scientific high ground based on how things "strike you".
corin_ 10y ago
I was responding specifically to what you quoted, and didn't commit to memory your parent's comment - which I guess has now removed the mention of hallucinogens. (I do remember seeing "LSD" when skim-reading, so not questioning your assertion that it was mentioned.) As to specifically experimenting with hallucinogens: there's growing evidence that they can be helpful in treating depression, from anecdotes to studies - most recently, a couple of days ago: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/01/magic-mushroom-ingredient-psilocybin-can-lift-depression-studies-show https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/01/magic-mushro... Should people be recommended to try these sorts of drugs without proper guidance and likely supervision? Generally I'd say no. But if they can provide people with the help they need, and the legal system doesn't allow for a formal way of using them, I do support people discussing their use, ideally with disclaimers about potential risks and how to use as safely as possible.