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> The T.O.S is now backed by law. Pft. Which law, where? And what provisions? It's vastly more complex than that even where it did sneak in. And between me an

> The T.O.S is now backed by law. Pft. Which law, where? And what provisions? It's vastly more complex than that even where it did sneak in. And between me and South Korea? Very little chance. > I'm asking you to prove something exists. No, you're asking for me to prove something to your satisfaction when you're predisposed to dislike it regardless. It's similarly impossible. > There are no alternative purposes of cheating software other than to cheat just like there is no other purpose of a calculator other than to calculate. Which isn't actually true. It can exist just for the sheer joy and reversing and controlling a new program. But even at that, "to cheat", isn't damning. Even perfect aimbots aren't perfect players and a lot of people enjoy fighting someone using an aimbot. Personally I'd rather play against an aimbot than a camper. At least one justifies their slot on the server. Anyways, it's your responsibility to curate your friends list to find people you enjoy playing with, not to sanitize the gaming population until you're sure nobody is left who might offend you. And especially not to enforce general purpose bans on computer exploration which this amounts to.

Nadya 10y ago
Then build your own game and run your own servers and hack those. Problem solved. You don't need to purchase their games, agree to their T.O.S, or have any affiliation with them. The majority of the gaming community doesn't want people like you in it which is why companies spend such large amounts of money to develop tools to keep hackers out. If it didn't "kill" games (see: The Division losing over 95% of the player base on PC due to overwhelming amounts of hackers) then companies wouldn't care. >"to cheat", isn't damning In nearly every other aspect of life and any other comparison you'd be laughed out of the room for this. Go cheat at a casino? At a competition? And see where it gets you. But for some reason it's okay for video games?
- EdHominem 10y ago
  > Then build your own game and run your own servers and hack those. No, hacking something you wrote doesn't make sense. You couldn't surprise yourself, or learn anything. > You don't need to purchase their games, agree to their T.O.S, or have any affiliation with them. Even if I purchased their game I wouldn't agree to their ToS so no worries. Nor would I have any affiliation with them. > The majority of the gaming community doesn't want people like you in it which is why companies spend such large amounts of money to develop tools to keep hackers out. That's what you're told, but the companies are far more hostile against cheats in games like WoW where cheating simply means playing the parts you want without the grind (and the inevitable in-app purchase to get past the grind.) > >"to cheat", isn't damning > In nearly every other aspect of life and any other comparison you'd be laughed out of the room for this. No, that just shows your prejudices. I cheat at the parts of single-player games that I find boring. If the room is full of boring rule-followers who can't play the game of solitaire that they enjoy playing, I'd be laughing at them. > Go cheat at a casino? I don't know a single person who'd be upset about that. They'd all laugh and say "Don't get caught" but no more. > At a competition? Oh, are you the sort of person who likes to cheat in competitions? That is lame. I like bikes because they let me cheat at walking. I get where I want to go faster. I have no compulsion to be seen to be better than you so I don't care about racking up "victories". But I still think it's mentally defective to pass a law preventing reverse engineering just to let some people have their trophies.

Nadya 10y ago

Then build your own game and run your own servers and hack those. Problem solved. You don't need to purchase their games, agree to their T.O.S, or have any affiliation with them. The majority of the gaming community doesn't want people like you in it which is why companies spend such large amounts of money to develop tools to keep hackers out. If it didn't "kill" games (see: The Division losing over 95% of the player base on PC due to overwhelming amounts of hackers) then companies wouldn't care. >"to cheat", isn't damning In nearly every other aspect of life and any other comparison you'd be laughed out of the room for this. Go cheat at a casino? At a competition? And see where it gets you. But for some reason it's okay for video games?

EdHominem 10y ago
> Then build your own game and run your own servers and hack those. No, hacking something you wrote doesn't make sense. You couldn't surprise yourself, or learn anything. > You don't need to purchase their games, agree to their T.O.S, or have any affiliation with them. Even if I purchased their game I wouldn't agree to their ToS so no worries. Nor would I have any affiliation with them. > The majority of the gaming community doesn't want people like you in it which is why companies spend such large amounts of money to develop tools to keep hackers out. That's what you're told, but the companies are far more hostile against cheats in games like WoW where cheating simply means playing the parts you want without the grind (and the inevitable in-app purchase to get past the grind.) > >"to cheat", isn't damning > In nearly every other aspect of life and any other comparison you'd be laughed out of the room for this. No, that just shows your prejudices. I cheat at the parts of single-player games that I find boring. If the room is full of boring rule-followers who can't play the game of solitaire that they enjoy playing, I'd be laughing at them. > Go cheat at a casino? I don't know a single person who'd be upset about that. They'd all laugh and say "Don't get caught" but no more. > At a competition? Oh, are you the sort of person who likes to cheat in competitions? That is lame. I like bikes because they let me cheat at walking. I get where I want to go faster. I have no compulsion to be seen to be better than you so I don't care about racking up "victories". But I still think it's mentally defective to pass a law preventing reverse engineering just to let some people have their trophies.