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oh I see, the official policy was 1 child, but when multiple births happened or the 1st child was a girl, the local hospital type people just looked the other w

oh I see, the official policy was 1 child, but when multiple births happened or the 1st child was a girl, the local hospital type people just looked the other way and never put the birth into the system.

anthony-james 10y ago
This is essentially the entire article, without the clickbait or ads.
- aaronchall 10y ago
  Or the pay-wall block because my employer won't let them serve the ads.
AtheistOfFail 10y ago
I mean, you see this in any dictatorship or even at any level of power. The same cops that would flush some weed down the toilet so you don't get thrown in jail or not give people drunk and disorderly tickets would be akin to a hospital's staff not registering a child so the family could try for a boy.
blahedo 10y ago
Close: if the 1st was a girl, the 2nd was permitted even officially (at least in the later years of the system). But if you had a girl and then a second girl, there would be incentive to hide the second girl so you'd be legally permitted to try again for a boy.
- officialjunk 10y ago
  also note that this logic only applies to the "free" children, as in no additional fees/tax to pay for the extra birth. for families that can afford the tax, you can and always could have as many children as you can afford.
swuecho 10y ago
A lot of the people in china simply are not borned in hospital 20 ago. Every family has at least two children from where I grown up, even the official of the village. More like the case of speeding. You are not allowed, but you can get away with it, if the police are not there or feel it is better for him to not give you a ticket. even a lot of Chinese are surprised when I talk about this with them. So be careful about the media's report. (they report what they think it is true, but might not)
- KaoruAoiShiho 10y ago
  but you are allowed... one of the big myths is that there was a universal policy. in fact the policy applied to only city dwellers in big congested cities. villagers and ethnic minorities did not have the restriction. the policy applied to like only 30pc of households
beachstartup 10y ago
could be, but it's way easier to just paint chinese people as savages that drowned their own infant daughters.
- chillingeffect 10y ago
  Exactly. The "Chinese as savages" fits a narrative that a lot of people want to hear so it resonates as an unquestioned assumption. It also helps bolster the war on women narrative. Here's one think tank that propagates the sex-selective abortion in China: [1] Here's a mainstream article which gives a weak strawman argument then concludes there must be widespread sex-selective abortion in China: [ 2 ] And this article goes even farther out on the line, saying the Chinese women were "forced" to abort their daughters, not using evidence to verify the theory, but using a piece of artwork by a French artist to propagate the idea visually: [3] All of these stories must be critically considered in light of the new evidence by the Kennedy-Yaojiang paper. (and obviously we must also critically consider Kenney-Yaojiang). [1] https://lozierinstitute.org/sex-selection-abortion-the-real-war-on-women/ https://lozierinstitute.org/sex-selection-abortion-the-real-... [2] http://www.economist.com/node/15636231 http://www.economist.com/node/15636231 [3] http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/opinion/zhang-terracotta-daughters http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/opinion/zhang-terracotta-daugh...

anthony-james 10y ago

This is essentially the entire article, without the clickbait or ads.

aaronchall 10y ago
Or the pay-wall block because my employer won't let them serve the ads.

AtheistOfFail 10y ago

I mean, you see this in any dictatorship or even at any level of power. The same cops that would flush some weed down the toilet so you don't get thrown in jail or not give people drunk and disorderly tickets would be akin to a hospital's staff not registering a child so the family could try for a boy.

blahedo 10y ago

Close: if the 1st was a girl, the 2nd was permitted even officially (at least in the later years of the system). But if you had a girl and then a second girl, there would be incentive to hide the second girl so you'd be legally permitted to try again for a boy.

officialjunk 10y ago
also note that this logic only applies to the "free" children, as in no additional fees/tax to pay for the extra birth. for families that can afford the tax, you can and always could have as many children as you can afford.

swuecho 10y ago

A lot of the people in china simply are not borned in hospital 20 ago. Every family has at least two children from where I grown up, even the official of the village. More like the case of speeding. You are not allowed, but you can get away with it, if the police are not there or feel it is better for him to not give you a ticket. even a lot of Chinese are surprised when I talk about this with them. So be careful about the media's report. (they report what they think it is true, but might not)

KaoruAoiShiho 10y ago
but you are allowed... one of the big myths is that there was a universal policy. in fact the policy applied to only city dwellers in big congested cities. villagers and ethnic minorities did not have the restriction. the policy applied to like only 30pc of households

beachstartup 10y ago

could be, but it's way easier to just paint chinese people as savages that drowned their own infant daughters.

chillingeffect 10y ago
Exactly. The "Chinese as savages" fits a narrative that a lot of people want to hear so it resonates as an unquestioned assumption. It also helps bolster the war on women narrative. Here's one think tank that propagates the sex-selective abortion in China: [1] Here's a mainstream article which gives a weak strawman argument then concludes there must be widespread sex-selective abortion in China: [ 2 ] And this article goes even farther out on the line, saying the Chinese women were "forced" to abort their daughters, not using evidence to verify the theory, but using a piece of artwork by a French artist to propagate the idea visually: [3] All of these stories must be critically considered in light of the new evidence by the Kennedy-Yaojiang paper. (and obviously we must also critically consider Kenney-Yaojiang). [1] https://lozierinstitute.org/sex-selection-abortion-the-real-war-on-women/ https://lozierinstitute.org/sex-selection-abortion-the-real-... [2] http://www.economist.com/node/15636231 http://www.economist.com/node/15636231 [3] http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/opinion/zhang-terracotta-daughters http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/opinion/zhang-terracotta-daugh...