4 ms·

For writing the aimbot, not for using it. I'm fine with you being charged if you contract to not do something (steroids, for instance) for a voluntary event, b

For writing the aimbot, not for using it. I'm fine with you being charged if you contract to not do something (steroids, for instance) for a voluntary event, but did so without intending to uphold your promise. That's fraud. But me, for ripping apart some game and tying into the internals? I should be charged because you could do something bad with it? That's just nonsense. And what counts as a cheat? In an old game I used to tape a crosshair to the screen because it didn't have one. What if we create an aimbot from vacuum tubes and light-sensors? Stupid politicians, sticking their noses into things they don't understand. The laws were already adequate to charge any actual cheater.

Nadya 10y ago
>For writing the aimbot, not for using it. So equate it to production and distribution of illicit material? Cultivating food isn't illegal in many areas. Cultivating magic mushrooms is another issue altogether. Chemistry isn't illegal but manufacturing MDMA is. Programming isn't illegal - but coding a program for a game that directly goes against the Terms of Service of a company is. Can you provide me an example of aimbotting in a multiplayer game that isn't "bad"? What else could you possibly be doing with it?
- EdHominem 10y ago
  > So equate it to production and distribution of illicit material? No, that's missing the point. I know what silly legal maneuverings are, but I know that they're self-contradictory and worthless. If I went far enough down that rabbit-hole I could justify banning anything by relating it to child abuse. > Programming isn't illegal - but coding a program for a game that directly goes against the Terms of Service of a company is. Sorry, but I don't consider ToS binding. Maybe on my use of the site, but not simply on software I bought. Otherwise the word "bought" is meaningless. Also, if they can do that then they have the ability to simply forbid reverse engineering, etc, which is utterly ridiculous. > Can you provide me an example of aimbotting in a multiplayer game that isn't "bad"? Can you prove you aren't a nazi sympathizer? No, and it isn't your responsibility to do so. Similarly, it's not my job to defend aimbots. If you want to play without aimbots, play with friends or with people who contract away their otherwise legal rights.
  - Nadya 10y ago
    >Sorry, but I don't consider ToS binding. Maybe on my use of the site, but not simply on software I bought. Otherwise the word "bought" is meaningless. Then don't agree to the Terms of Service! To connect to the servers you must agree to the Terms of Service. Feel free to buy a copy of your game but be unable to play it because you cannot connect to their servers (which you are not paying for). If you do not like that, then do not purchase the game or purchase a single-player game that does not rely on servers to play on. Also "I don't consider laws binding" wouldn't be a permissible defense. The T.O.S is now backed by law. >Can you prove you aren't a nazi sympathizer? No, and it isn't your responsibility to do so. You cannot prove the non-existence of something. I'm asking you to prove something exists. You make the claim that aimbots have a legitimate reason to be created: name that reason. I can list ways to use a gun that don't involve killing people - hunting and sport (skeet shooting). There are no alternative purposes of cheating software other than to cheat just like there is no other purpose of a calculator other than to calculate.
    - EdHominem 10y ago
      > The T.O.S is now backed by law. Pft. Which law, where? And what provisions? It's vastly more complex than that even where it did sneak in. And between me and South Korea? Very little chance. > I'm asking you to prove something exists. No, you're asking for me to prove something to your satisfaction when you're predisposed to dislike it regardless. It's similarly impossible. > There are no alternative purposes of cheating software other than to cheat just like there is no other purpose of a calculator other than to calculate. Which isn't actually true. It can exist just for the sheer joy and reversing and controlling a new program. But even at that, "to cheat", isn't damning. Even perfect aimbots aren't perfect players and a lot of people enjoy fighting someone using an aimbot. Personally I'd rather play against an aimbot than a camper. At least one justifies their slot on the server. Anyways, it's your responsibility to curate your friends list to find people you enjoy playing with, not to sanitize the gaming population until you're sure nobody is left who might offend you. And especially not to enforce general purpose bans on computer exploration which this amounts to.
      - 10y ago

Nadya 10y ago

>For writing the aimbot, not for using it. So equate it to production and distribution of illicit material? Cultivating food isn't illegal in many areas. Cultivating magic mushrooms is another issue altogether. Chemistry isn't illegal but manufacturing MDMA is. Programming isn't illegal - but coding a program for a game that directly goes against the Terms of Service of a company is. Can you provide me an example of aimbotting in a multiplayer game that isn't "bad"? What else could you possibly be doing with it?

EdHominem 10y ago
> So equate it to production and distribution of illicit material? No, that's missing the point. I know what silly legal maneuverings are, but I know that they're self-contradictory and worthless. If I went far enough down that rabbit-hole I could justify banning anything by relating it to child abuse. > Programming isn't illegal - but coding a program for a game that directly goes against the Terms of Service of a company is. Sorry, but I don't consider ToS binding. Maybe on my use of the site, but not simply on software I bought. Otherwise the word "bought" is meaningless. Also, if they can do that then they have the ability to simply forbid reverse engineering, etc, which is utterly ridiculous. > Can you provide me an example of aimbotting in a multiplayer game that isn't "bad"? Can you prove you aren't a nazi sympathizer? No, and it isn't your responsibility to do so. Similarly, it's not my job to defend aimbots. If you want to play without aimbots, play with friends or with people who contract away their otherwise legal rights.
- Nadya 10y ago
  >Sorry, but I don't consider ToS binding. Maybe on my use of the site, but not simply on software I bought. Otherwise the word "bought" is meaningless. Then don't agree to the Terms of Service! To connect to the servers you must agree to the Terms of Service. Feel free to buy a copy of your game but be unable to play it because you cannot connect to their servers (which you are not paying for). If you do not like that, then do not purchase the game or purchase a single-player game that does not rely on servers to play on. Also "I don't consider laws binding" wouldn't be a permissible defense. The T.O.S is now backed by law. >Can you prove you aren't a nazi sympathizer? No, and it isn't your responsibility to do so. You cannot prove the non-existence of something. I'm asking you to prove something exists. You make the claim that aimbots have a legitimate reason to be created: name that reason. I can list ways to use a gun that don't involve killing people - hunting and sport (skeet shooting). There are no alternative purposes of cheating software other than to cheat just like there is no other purpose of a calculator other than to calculate.
  - EdHominem 10y ago
    > The T.O.S is now backed by law. Pft. Which law, where? And what provisions? It's vastly more complex than that even where it did sneak in. And between me and South Korea? Very little chance. > I'm asking you to prove something exists. No, you're asking for me to prove something to your satisfaction when you're predisposed to dislike it regardless. It's similarly impossible. > There are no alternative purposes of cheating software other than to cheat just like there is no other purpose of a calculator other than to calculate. Which isn't actually true. It can exist just for the sheer joy and reversing and controlling a new program. But even at that, "to cheat", isn't damning. Even perfect aimbots aren't perfect players and a lot of people enjoy fighting someone using an aimbot. Personally I'd rather play against an aimbot than a camper. At least one justifies their slot on the server. Anyways, it's your responsibility to curate your friends list to find people you enjoy playing with, not to sanitize the gaming population until you're sure nobody is left who might offend you. And especially not to enforce general purpose bans on computer exploration which this amounts to.
    - 10y ago