I never know what people mean by "carbs". Are they typically referring to refined foods like white bread, white rice, etc? Or are they actually talking about th

I never know what people mean by "carbs". Are they typically referring to refined foods like white bread, white rice, etc? Or are they actually talking about the macronutrient? When it comes to the macronutrient, high-carb populations eating whole foods are among the healthiests in the world (look at the blue zones, adventists studies, okinawans, etc).