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> Their maffia style feature up-sales (oh you want the features that matter, start paying 8k a month) They offer for more in their free plan than any other CDN

by laumars 10y ago

> Their maffia style feature up-sales (oh you want the features that matter, start paying 8k a month) They offer for more in their free plan than any other CDN of their ilk which I've used (good look getting Akamai for free!!). However if you know a service like CloudFlare that's as good as CloudFlare are and are as cheap as you suggest they should be, then I'm sure many on here would love to hear your recommendations ;) > lack of responsibility flowing through their infrastructure, 'we do not host anything so we are not responsible' attitude... That's exactly how the vast majority of the tech industry works though. No service provider wants to be held accountable for the illegal activities of a small minority of their users. It's like blaming the telephone companies because a terrorist happened to lease a line from them. Or blaming Google for automatically crawling a site which hosts warez. What you're asking is the in-house moderation at scale and that's unsustainable. >If i use that mentality or reasoning when stolen or other illegal goods flow through my house or shed, the police will not accept that as an excuse.... facilitating criminals. I appreciate no analogy is perfect but yours is further off than most. People shouldn't get access to your property without your concent so it's hard to argue that you weren't aware of the illegal activities happening in your house. However if you gave your house keys to friends who then went behind your back to distribute said content without your knowledge and knowing that you would disallow it if you were aware then you wouldn't be facilitating the criminals. CloudFlare offers an automated service at scale. Occasionally that gets abused but it's not something they condone. Blaming CloudFlare for that is like blaming kitchen knife manufacturers because some thugs used their blades to stab someone.

faded242 10y ago
I don't think you've tried to report abuse to CloudFlare before, have you? Your analogy is actually further off. CloudFlare IS aware of the abuse and illegal activity. They DO condone it through their inaction. They claim since they aren't the actual source of the content, they don't have to do anything about it, effectively letting the criminals and scammers continue their abuse behind their shield. They have all the capability in the world to respond to valid abuse complaints, and actually stop the abuse, but they actively choose to allow it.
- maxander 10y ago
  If they start accepting takedown requests as a general policy, though, they become an attack vector themselves. Their customers would start getting calls saying "give us $LARGE_SUM in untraceable bills or there'll suddenly be thousands of plausibly-authentic complaints that your $VALID_BUSINESS is actually a malicious site"; no one wants that. They've decided to not make themselves the internet police for a reason.

by laumars 10y ago

faded242 10y ago

I don't think you've tried to report abuse to CloudFlare before, have you? Your analogy is actually further off. CloudFlare IS aware of the abuse and illegal activity. They DO condone it through their inaction. They claim since they aren't the actual source of the content, they don't have to do anything about it, effectively letting the criminals and scammers continue their abuse behind their shield. They have all the capability in the world to respond to valid abuse complaints, and actually stop the abuse, but they actively choose to allow it.

maxander 10y ago
If they start accepting takedown requests as a general policy, though, they become an attack vector themselves. Their customers would start getting calls saying "give us $LARGE_SUM in untraceable bills or there'll suddenly be thousands of plausibly-authentic complaints that your $VALID_BUSINESS is actually a malicious site"; no one wants that. They've decided to not make themselves the internet police for a reason.