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Do you honestly think US-based services are exempt from NSA/NRO/CIA snooping and should be trusted?

ttflee 10y ago
No, but at least US is not likely to leak some random personal info to non-allied government, e.g. China in this case, on purpose. It is neither legal nor preferable for the U.S. government to do so, I guess. And it might also be probable for an U.S. citizen to feel safer under the surveillance of an opponent of U.S., if not by the U.S. simultaneously.
inimino 10y ago
Do you think the NSA is going to give your trade secrets to a domestic competitor? That's the concern.
- mtgx 10y ago
  Um, yes? It may not happen to the extent it happens in China, though, but I'm certain they do it, too. After all the NSA is run by the same type of corrupt elite as the rest of the government is. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included-allies-aid-groups-and-business-elite.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra... https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131112/08223925211/if-nsa-isnt-engaged-economic-espionage-why-is-ustr-considered-customer-intelligence.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131112/08223925211/if-ns...
- goodplay 10y ago
  Yep. See the Airbus espionage debacle.
  - inimino 10y ago
    I don't think the scale is remotely comparable, but fair counterpoint.
- Cerium 10y ago
  If you are discussing trade secrets on WeChat or Facebook Messenger I feel like you are doing it wrong. Any 3rd party communications service should not pass due diligence.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    Isn’t the entire point of slack that you discuss trade secrets and implementation details over it? And isn’t it also a 3rd party service?
  - rdlecler1 10y ago
    But that's exactly how WeChat is used in China. And really no different that having google host your email.
- dragonbonheur 10y ago
  https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...

No, but at least US is not likely to leak some random personal info to non-allied government, e.g. China in this case, on purpose. It is neither legal nor preferable for the U.S. government to do so, I guess. And it might also be probable for an U.S. citizen to feel safer under the surveillance of an opponent of U.S., if not by the U.S. simultaneously.

inimino 10y ago

Do you think the NSA is going to give your trade secrets to a domestic competitor? That's the concern.

mtgx 10y ago
Um, yes? It may not happen to the extent it happens in China, though, but I'm certain they do it, too. After all the NSA is run by the same type of corrupt elite as the rest of the government is. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included-allies-aid-groups-and-business-elite.html http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-brazil-oil-petrobras https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra... https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131112/08223925211/if-nsa-isnt-engaged-economic-espionage-why-is-ustr-considered-customer-intelligence.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131112/08223925211/if-ns...
goodplay 10y ago
Yep. See the Airbus espionage debacle.
- inimino 10y ago
  I don't think the scale is remotely comparable, but fair counterpoint.
Cerium 10y ago
If you are discussing trade secrets on WeChat or Facebook Messenger I feel like you are doing it wrong. Any 3rd party communications service should not pass due diligence.
- kuschku 10y ago
  Isn’t the entire point of slack that you discuss trade secrets and implementation details over it? And isn’t it also a 3rd party service?
- rdlecler1 10y ago
  But that's exactly how WeChat is used in China. And really no different that having google host your email.
dragonbonheur 10y ago
https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use...