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This response to idlewords is chillingly Trumpian and certainly goes against the common HN culture. Let's replay the last three comments: > When people say Tru
by macrael 10y ago
This response to idlewords is chillingly Trumpian and certainly goes against the common HN culture. Let's replay the last three comments:
> When people say Trump wants to deport all illegal immigrants they are misconstruing his words and are contributing to this problematicly combative atmosphere
> Trump quote explicitly saying he wants to deport all 11M undocumented immigrants
> 0 response to idlewords, instead a series of half baked policy ideas to keep immigrants out. No edit to the original post saying that it was wrong and in fact completely contradicted by the next post. Nothing.
HN prides itself on discussions and while many a silly idea has been aired here I really expect basic factchecking to be respected. That this remains the top thread on this post after being summarily debunked is disappointing.
- mc32 10y agoIdldeword's quote states he'd deport 11 immigrants. It should say he claimed he'd deport 11 million illegal immigrants. In confounding these terms it creates unnecessary alarm for legal immigrants who are not the intended subjects of the policy. Countries have many policies to keep people out. Do you think Mexico or Japan don't keep people out? They too have policies for who can enter their countries for what. It's normal. We're the outliers in terms of policy non enforcement compared to other nations.
- idlewords 10y agoYou're the one doing the confounding, between border control and mass deportations. No western country conducts mass deportations, least of all of long-term residents.
- mc32 10y agoWhy exclude the second and third largest economies from the picture (just because they are not "western"? The reason most advanced economies don't need mass deportations is because they enforce immigration laws more strictly for jobs and for schools --therefore they have fewer illegal immigrants (due to fewer incentives). On the other hand we allow more legal immigrants than all those other western economies --which is a good thing. I'm okay if those same people just get back in line with everyone else, by the way. It may take a while, but take your turn like other legal immigrants. PS. Latin American countries from time to time do conduct mass deportations, so it's a bit misleading to say none do. Even Angela Merkel said she'd deport upwards of 100k immigrants she first allowed in (thus legal).
- petertheil 10y agoInvigorating to see so much lively debate on HN about whether mass deportations are good or not. I love it!
- petertheil 10y agoInvigorating to see so much lively debate on HN about whether mass deportations are good or not. I love it!