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> If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again. This is p
by postcarnival 10y ago
> If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again.
This is precisely why Trump won more than any reason. He made an appeal to the most important group in America, the middle class, and they agreed with him.
- mc32 10y agoI'm not sure Trump has it in him, but if he did and courted the black working class the right way, I think he could start winning them over from the Dems. But he has to be serious about creating jobs for them, it means raising the min wage to $15 and not allowing undocs to undercut citizen workers. Trump should learn one thing. Black families like jobs. They'll vote for jobs. They also want, if not always like the police but jobs would go a long way to smoothing things over, as with any pop.
- postcarnival 10y agoagree, I'm optimistic, he may be the best President ever...
- macrael 10y agoHow do you feel about this: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/trumps-off-the-cuff-remarks-to-world-leaders-leave-diplomats-aghast.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/trumps-off-the...
- rtpg 10y agohe lost the popular vote, and only won it within income brackets above $60k+. He won because everyone voted along party lines + similar turnout to 2000 (Dem marginally above Rep turnout). All other narratives do not match the actual results.
- tedunangst 10y agoHow does that explain winning states like PA, which voted for Gore in 2000 by 4%?
- tptacek 10y agoWhite voters in PA that voted for Obama last cycle were 2-3x more likely to stay home than to vote against HRC.
- tedunangst 10y agoThat's a tough stat to parse. Where did you find that? Sounds contradictory to http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/upshot/how-did-trump-win-over-so-many-obama-voters.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/upshot/how-did-trump-win-o... for instance, but that's a bit older. Maybe I missed something.
- tptacek 10y agoPut more simply: Trump didn't convert Democrat "white working class" voters in PA, so much as they abstained from the election altogether. The middle class didn't vote Trump in; they sat the whole thing out.
- mc32 10y ago(Some) Dems reps in W. Pa. while possibly mistaken have said differently. They mentioned people switching party reg[1] among other things. [1]http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/nearly-100000-pennsylvania-voters-switch-from-democrat-to-republican/ http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/10/12/nearly-100000-penn...
- tedunangst 10y agoTrump got way more votes than Romney did, nearly as many as Obama 2012, despite considerably more third party votes. Overall turnout was higher than 2012 too. So theory is Trump mobilized a ton of voters who sat out in 2012?