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60 Minutes interview, September 2015: Pelley: "Eleven, 12 million illegal immigrants --" Trump: "Or whatever the number is." Pelley: "Still in the country, w

60 Minutes interview, September 2015: Pelley: "Eleven, 12 million illegal immigrants --" Trump: "Or whatever the number is." Pelley: "Still in the country, what do you do?" Trump: "If they've done well, they're going out and they're coming back in legally. Because you said it--" Pelley: "You're rounding them all up?" Trump: "We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And, by the way, I know it doesn't sound nice. But not everything is nice."

mc32 10y ago
If he really wanted to keep out illegal immigrants he'd do what Japan or China do. Require verification of legal residence from everyone for job, schools, etc. No fences/walls needed. Or he could ask someone to develop an app where people could report people who are working without proper docs and fine the workplace and schools for violations. It could even be incentivized and non false positives get rewards of some sort --tax credit, whatever. False positives get demerits, etc. That said, if employers are not willing to pay citizens a minimum wage of $15, then we will need a way to allow cheap unskilled imported labor to work on farms etc. Set up a system where you allow seasonal work visas. If you overstay, you are out 5 years. If you want to stay past a season extend your visa by exposing someone overstaying their visa so you get self policing. However, since this creates underemployed citizens, tax the employers who employ imported labor to underwrite citizen unemployment benefits.
- postcarnival 10y ago
  Yes but since all of this fear-mongering is contrived by the liberal safe-space culture that has bred groups like this and not based in reality, we won't need to do any of that.
  - rtpg 10y ago
    Beyond the moral arguements, the real reason nothing has happened is that this has absolutely no popular support in areas who actually have undocumented immigrants. People in these areas usually are fine with them because "who cares". Businesses are fine because they usually represent cheap labor. Local governments have a lot to do on their plate already, they don't want to go in the immigration business. These policies are basically "federal overreach". Feds fly in to do something the locals do not want. Do you think LA is a sanctuary city because of Obama? It's the will of the people. Who cares what people in Iowa think?
    - mc32 10y ago
      As jobs are automated away and our own unskilled labor force finds it harder to find any job, there will be more concern about it. All the feds have to do is enforce e-verify. If anything Trumps win likely signifies distress from the working class. If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again.
      - pcwalton 10y ago
        > All the feds have to do is enforce e-verify. No, that is plainly not sufficient, which is obvious because many states already do this. Unless by "enforce E-Verify" you mean something far more drastic.
        mc32 10y ago
        It means you fine people or firms hiring people who don't have work documents. No excuses. Forged? They get fined and pay for the ticket back to home country of person using forged docs.
      - postcarnival 10y ago
        > If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again. This is precisely why Trump won more than any reason. He made an appeal to the most important group in America, the middle class, and they agreed with him.
        mc32 10y ago
        I'm not sure Trump has it in him, but if he did and courted the black working class the right way, I think he could start winning them over from the Dems. But he has to be serious about creating jobs for them, it means raising the min wage to $15 and not allowing undocs to undercut citizen workers. Trump should learn one thing. Black families like jobs. They'll vote for jobs. They also want, if not always like the police but jobs would go a long way to smoothing things over, as with any pop.
  - jedrek 10y ago
    In normal conversation, I'd be 100% sure this is sarcasm. On HN it's 50/50.
- macrael 10y ago
  This response to idlewords is chillingly Trumpian and certainly goes against the common HN culture. Let's replay the last three comments: > When people say Trump wants to deport all illegal immigrants they are misconstruing his words and are contributing to this problematicly combative atmosphere > Trump quote explicitly saying he wants to deport all 11M undocumented immigrants > 0 response to idlewords, instead a series of half baked policy ideas to keep immigrants out. No edit to the original post saying that it was wrong and in fact completely contradicted by the next post. Nothing. HN prides itself on discussions and while many a silly idea has been aired here I really expect basic factchecking to be respected. That this remains the top thread on this post after being summarily debunked is disappointing.
  - mc32 10y ago
    Idldeword's quote states he'd deport 11 immigrants. It should say he claimed he'd deport 11 million illegal immigrants. In confounding these terms it creates unnecessary alarm for legal immigrants who are not the intended subjects of the policy. Countries have many policies to keep people out. Do you think Mexico or Japan don't keep people out? They too have policies for who can enter their countries for what. It's normal. We're the outliers in terms of policy non enforcement compared to other nations.
    - idlewords 10y ago
      You're the one doing the confounding, between border control and mass deportations. No western country conducts mass deportations, least of all of long-term residents.
      - mc32 10y ago
        Why exclude the second and third largest economies from the picture (just because they are not "western"? The reason most advanced economies don't need mass deportations is because they enforce immigration laws more strictly for jobs and for schools --therefore they have fewer illegal immigrants (due to fewer incentives). On the other hand we allow more legal immigrants than all those other western economies --which is a good thing. I'm okay if those same people just get back in line with everyone else, by the way. It may take a while, but take your turn like other legal immigrants. PS. Latin American countries from time to time do conduct mass deportations, so it's a bit misleading to say none do. Even Angela Merkel said she'd deport upwards of 100k immigrants she first allowed in (thus legal).

mc32 10y ago

If he really wanted to keep out illegal immigrants he'd do what Japan or China do. Require verification of legal residence from everyone for job, schools, etc. No fences/walls needed. Or he could ask someone to develop an app where people could report people who are working without proper docs and fine the workplace and schools for violations. It could even be incentivized and non false positives get rewards of some sort --tax credit, whatever. False positives get demerits, etc. That said, if employers are not willing to pay citizens a minimum wage of $15, then we will need a way to allow cheap unskilled imported labor to work on farms etc. Set up a system where you allow seasonal work visas. If you overstay, you are out 5 years. If you want to stay past a season extend your visa by exposing someone overstaying their visa so you get self policing. However, since this creates underemployed citizens, tax the employers who employ imported labor to underwrite citizen unemployment benefits.

postcarnival 10y ago
Yes but since all of this fear-mongering is contrived by the liberal safe-space culture that has bred groups like this and not based in reality, we won't need to do any of that.
- rtpg 10y ago
  Beyond the moral arguements, the real reason nothing has happened is that this has absolutely no popular support in areas who actually have undocumented immigrants. People in these areas usually are fine with them because "who cares". Businesses are fine because they usually represent cheap labor. Local governments have a lot to do on their plate already, they don't want to go in the immigration business. These policies are basically "federal overreach". Feds fly in to do something the locals do not want. Do you think LA is a sanctuary city because of Obama? It's the will of the people. Who cares what people in Iowa think?
  - mc32 10y ago
    As jobs are automated away and our own unskilled labor force finds it harder to find any job, there will be more concern about it. All the feds have to do is enforce e-verify. If anything Trumps win likely signifies distress from the working class. If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again.
    - pcwalton 10y ago
      > All the feds have to do is enforce e-verify. No, that is plainly not sufficient, which is obvious because many states already do this. Unless by "enforce E-Verify" you mean something far more drastic.
      - mc32 10y ago
        It means you fine people or firms hiring people who don't have work documents. No excuses. Forged? They get fined and pay for the ticket back to home country of person using forged docs.
    - postcarnival 10y ago
      > If the Dems dig in their heals and cater more to non citizens than they do their own citizens, I'm afraid they may lose in the next election again. This is precisely why Trump won more than any reason. He made an appeal to the most important group in America, the middle class, and they agreed with him.
      - mc32 10y ago
        I'm not sure Trump has it in him, but if he did and courted the black working class the right way, I think he could start winning them over from the Dems. But he has to be serious about creating jobs for them, it means raising the min wage to $15 and not allowing undocs to undercut citizen workers. Trump should learn one thing. Black families like jobs. They'll vote for jobs. They also want, if not always like the police but jobs would go a long way to smoothing things over, as with any pop.
- jedrek 10y ago
  In normal conversation, I'd be 100% sure this is sarcasm. On HN it's 50/50.
macrael 10y ago
This response to idlewords is chillingly Trumpian and certainly goes against the common HN culture. Let's replay the last three comments: > When people say Trump wants to deport all illegal immigrants they are misconstruing his words and are contributing to this problematicly combative atmosphere > Trump quote explicitly saying he wants to deport all 11M undocumented immigrants > 0 response to idlewords, instead a series of half baked policy ideas to keep immigrants out. No edit to the original post saying that it was wrong and in fact completely contradicted by the next post. Nothing. HN prides itself on discussions and while many a silly idea has been aired here I really expect basic factchecking to be respected. That this remains the top thread on this post after being summarily debunked is disappointing.
- mc32 10y ago
  Idldeword's quote states he'd deport 11 immigrants. It should say he claimed he'd deport 11 million illegal immigrants. In confounding these terms it creates unnecessary alarm for legal immigrants who are not the intended subjects of the policy. Countries have many policies to keep people out. Do you think Mexico or Japan don't keep people out? They too have policies for who can enter their countries for what. It's normal. We're the outliers in terms of policy non enforcement compared to other nations.
  - idlewords 10y ago
    You're the one doing the confounding, between border control and mass deportations. No western country conducts mass deportations, least of all of long-term residents.
    - mc32 10y ago
      Why exclude the second and third largest economies from the picture (just because they are not "western"? The reason most advanced economies don't need mass deportations is because they enforce immigration laws more strictly for jobs and for schools --therefore they have fewer illegal immigrants (due to fewer incentives). On the other hand we allow more legal immigrants than all those other western economies --which is a good thing. I'm okay if those same people just get back in line with everyone else, by the way. It may take a while, but take your turn like other legal immigrants. PS. Latin American countries from time to time do conduct mass deportations, so it's a bit misleading to say none do. Even Angela Merkel said she'd deport upwards of 100k immigrants she first allowed in (thus legal).