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First thing that comes to mind is that live video that poor lady filmed while her boyfriend was sitting in the car next to her being shot by police. It was a ve
by visakanv 10y ago
First thing that comes to mind is that live video that poor lady filmed while her boyfriend was sitting in the car next to her being shot by police. It was a very important piece of news. How will Facebook or AI prevent flagging that video?
> “These are questions that go way beyond whether we can develop AI,” said LeCun (FB's director of AI research). “Tradeoffs that I’m not well placed to determine.”
I don't want to be alarmist, but this this is symptomatic of something that's a little bit terrifying. This reminds me of essays I've read about the development of nuclear weapons. Lots of the people who developed those things said things like "Oh, I'm just the guy who built the bomb, I'm not well-placed to determine whether or not it gets used".
I can't directly say that this sort of attitude is going to directly lead to rogue AI wiping out humanity, but you have to be able to see how this sort of thing is a little worrying.
A quote comes to mind:
""The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards."
When you draw a demarcation between the people developing AI and the people deciding on the trade-offs...?
I'm usually idealistic and hopeful (I think), but I thought this needed to be said.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago> "The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards." Off-topic, but makes me think of the broad line of demarcation between developers and those talking to customers/end users, practiced by so many companies...
- coderdude 10y agoLol, what? Stop trying to shoehorn unrelated things into your narrow view of the world.
- visakanv 10y agoIt's totally on-topic. It's a planning/execution gap.
- coderdude 10y agoHe's not wrong about it being off-topic. He's wrong about trying to put something kinda like it in the same conversation. It's typical. We get it all the time here.
- coderdude 10y agoWhat's that video? It's hard to comment without the context.
- anigbrowl 10y agoC'mon, you should at least attempt a search before requesting help. I literally cut and pasted his descriptive text into Google and the top result was correct.
- coderdude 10y agoIs it only not in taste to ask for references when numbers aren't involved? It was a simple request. Bet you could have fulfilled it.
- emp_zealoth 10y agoThe point is to try and look for yourself too, instead of expecting to be given everything instantly with no effort - especially if it takes ONE FUCKING GOOGLE SEARCH /rant
- coderdude 10y agoIf your one opening argument rides on being someone who watches YouTube all day, you're going to meet some questions. If someone asks that question, the wrong answer is to tell them to watch YouTube all day with you. He referenced something like all we do is watch the Maury Povich version of the Internet all day. I asked, and this is what I get. Literally no one will even attempt to address my original concern. We love references like we love cranberry sauce on our turkeys. I think they're afraid I'll buy some deviled eggs if I talk. Edit: I hold true to what I said, with the caveat that I picked the wrong fight on the wrong day.
- azernik 10y agoThe reference is to the shooting of Philando Castile by police in Minnesota. This is about following the news, not about being glued to YouTube (the link below is hosted on YouTube, but is in fact an ABC news segment). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaB8MJhncDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaB8MJhncDc
- parineum 10y ago> I don't want to be alarmist, but this this is symptomatic of something that's a little bit terrifying. This reminds me of essays I've read about the development of nuclear weapons. You are being alarmist. This isn't AI like Terminator, this is AI like Deep Blue. General AI, the thing you're worried about, is either emergent or not going to be developed for image recognition. If it's emergent, it's basically inevitable and, if not, there's nothing to worry about here.
- scrollaway 10y agoThe person you are replying to is not worried about general AI. They're worried about the mindset of moving critical decision making on things that even we haven't fully figured out to AI.
- parineum 10y agoYou sure about that? > I can't directly say that this sort of attitude is going to directly lead to rogue AI wiping out humanity, but you have to be able to see how this sort of thing is a little worrying.
- scrollaway 10y agoYes, 90% sure. You're taking that comment at face value.
- visakanv 10y agoYup, that is what I meant
- TheSpiceIsLife 10y agoI'm going to go all in here and say that software / information has done more damage than nuclear weapons ever will. I think that's just go it works: each new technological development brings with it new ways to create and express, and new ways to destroy everything. If we think we've got a problem with burning carbon based fuels, wait till we develop a truly clean and cheap energy source. Computers (AI, whatever you want to call it) are truly freaky now, and not necessarily because of what they're capable of, but because of what people are willing (lining up!) to hand over.
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