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Norwegian black metal gets all the attention because of the church burnings, suicides, and murders, but musically there were much better scenes, IMO. The two th

by 3131s 10y ago

Norwegian black metal gets all the attention because of the church burnings, suicides, and murders, but musically there were much better scenes, IMO. The two that I like are Greek and Czech black metal, each of which had their own distinct sound. You could not pay me to listen to Burzum. Mayhem hit on some nice atmospheres early on, as did Darkthrone though I prefer their first album (which was death metal), but other more popular bands from Norway like Enslaved, Satyricon, Immortal, Emperor, Gorgoroth, etc. never did anything for me. A few of the more experimental bands from Norway like Ulver and Arcturus are worth checking out, but all in all black metal is not my cup of tea :)

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
> You could not pay me to listen to Burzum There's no room for Nazis in metal.
- 3131s 10y ago
  Well, I actually didn't mean it that way. While I don't like Nazis either and think that Varg is a pseudo-intellectual tool, I just find Burzum to be musically boring. I do actually welcome controversial lyrics and imagery in metal. I see it as sort of a canary in the coal mine for freedom of speech. With lyrics that are racist, misogynistic, militant, or even pedophilic, it's hard to tell how these bands straddle the line as far as actually advocating the ideas in their lyrics vs. wanting to evoke negative emotions and shine a light on the ugliness of humanity. The band Cynic summed up my view of extreme metal nicely with one of their demos titled "Reflections of a Dying World", and so in that sense I think even the most heinous lyrics have their place in metal, because anything else would be ignoring who we really are collectively as humans. I also find it a bit odd that the metal scene gets particularly worked up about racism, whereas murder, rape, torture, etc. are more-or-less par for the course in extreme metal nowadays.
- LordFrith 10y ago
  Varg got out of jail, moved to France, changed his name, got married, makes weird videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective/videos
- kbart 10y ago
  "There's no room for Nazis in metal." What does ones political political alignment has to do with music?
  - chriswoodford 10y ago
    There's something to be said for the question of if one can separate the art from the artist. There's a lot of debate about it in the realm of culture theory. That said, I've been on stage in Germany when Neo-Nazis tried to enter the venue to attend the show. The looks of legitimate distress on the attendees faces are something I won't forget. Personally, I find it really hard to separate art from artist and artist from political alignment.
arfar 10y ago
>You could not pay me to listen to Burzum. It's funny how tastes in music work. No 2 people are ever the same. Personally Burzum is my favourite from that scene. It's beyond stripped back. There's something that resonates with me about picking a nice simple melody, played on a plain old MIDI keyboard (presumably) with a basic sine-wavey type instrument and just riffing on the atmosphere for 8 minutes.
- 3131s 10y ago
  > It's funny how tastes in music work. No 2 people are ever the same. Yep, attach an obligatory "IMO" to every statement that I write in this thread. I definitely agree that there's no objective truth as far as enjoying music. I listen to so much death metal that would sound like noise to most people and that contains eye-rolling levels of goofiness too (e.g. frog-like guttural vocals that I endure only because I like the instrumental parts so much).
  - AndrewKemendo 10y ago
    I get a lot of hate from the metal community for the fact that CC is my favorite band of all time. Apparently they are too pop. Talk about a bubble. Doesn't matter, Butchered at Birth is the best DM album of all time IMO.
    - 3131s 10y ago
      My favorite DM album is Infester's "To the Depths... In Degradation" :)
      - AndrewKemendo 10y ago
        Another classic from Moribund. It's a draw between Satans Host and Drawn and Quartered as my favorite from that label. No shit the only album I used to be able to fall asleep while listening to was Hail Infernal Darkness. I saw Satans Host with Deicide in Colorado on June 6th 2006 too. Crazy show. I love Infester's grinds and sludge but the vocals are too muddy for me personally - they don't have the bite (range) of Schuldiner, Benton or Barnes.
AndrewKemendo 10y ago
Blasphemy! Seriously though I have never been a fan of any of the non-norwegian black metal acts and have found that it's not at all associated with the antics of the old days but rather that they have the right sound. Namely very analog - with exception of some of the symphonic black metal albums.
kbart 10y ago
"Norwegian black metal gets all the attention because of the church burnings, suicides, and murders, but musically there were much better scenes, IMO. The two that I like are Greek and Czech black metal, each of which had their own distinct sound." I would argue that Norwegian scene gets attention because it was among earliest (or even the earliest?). I'm sure that if you asked your favorite older bands from Greek or Czech they would cite Norwegian BM as their inspiration. Personally I'm not a fan of Norwegian BM as well and prefer French (Peste Noire, Amesoeurs, Pensées Nocturnes, Mütiilation, few LLN projects) and Polish scenes (Medico Peste, Batushka, Behemoth). Also, talking about BM, I cannot not to mention favorite band from my home country - Nahash. P.S. honestly, I'd never imagine a discussion about black metal here, on HN. Nice.
- 3131s 10y ago
  I was surprised too! I had not heard Amesouers, Batushka , Medico Peste and Nahash before, but I like what I hear and am happy to see the more recent trend of black metal cross-pollinating with post-metal, doom, punk, shoegaze, etc. One of the things I find fascinating about metal is this development of different sounds from country to country. You're right to say that Norway came along very early, as did the South American scene with its more thrashy interpretation from bands like Sarcofago, Sextrash, Vulcano, Mystifier, etc. I hope that regional aspect isn't lost (or lost already) with the interconnectedness of the internet, but on the whole the internet has probably had a massively positive effect on music in general. And your country had a small but interesting death metal scene too! I am fond of Conscious Rot, Regredior and Ghostorm and even have a few old demos from those bands.
  - kbart 10y ago
    "internet has probably had a massively positive effect on music in general." Yes, I agree with that. There are countless of interesting, unheard bands on the Internet from all over the world, not some clones of most popular bands, like it was usual in earlier days. Even Youtube offers some gems on random playlists from time to time. "I am fond of Conscious Rot, Regredior and Ghostorm and even have a few old demos from those bands." Wow, I'm surprised you know these bands, they are not widely known by younger "metalheads" even in my own country. Ghostorm was the all-time best metal band from Lithuania imho. Sadly, metal scene is virtually dead here nowadays..

by 3131s 10y ago

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago

> You could not pay me to listen to Burzum There's no room for Nazis in metal.

3131s 10y ago
Well, I actually didn't mean it that way. While I don't like Nazis either and think that Varg is a pseudo-intellectual tool, I just find Burzum to be musically boring. I do actually welcome controversial lyrics and imagery in metal. I see it as sort of a canary in the coal mine for freedom of speech. With lyrics that are racist, misogynistic, militant, or even pedophilic, it's hard to tell how these bands straddle the line as far as actually advocating the ideas in their lyrics vs. wanting to evoke negative emotions and shine a light on the ugliness of humanity. The band Cynic summed up my view of extreme metal nicely with one of their demos titled "Reflections of a Dying World", and so in that sense I think even the most heinous lyrics have their place in metal, because anything else would be ignoring who we really are collectively as humans. I also find it a bit odd that the metal scene gets particularly worked up about racism, whereas murder, rape, torture, etc. are more-or-less par for the course in extreme metal nowadays.
LordFrith 10y ago
Varg got out of jail, moved to France, changed his name, got married, makes weird videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective/videos https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective/videos
kbart 10y ago
"There's no room for Nazis in metal." What does ones political political alignment has to do with music?
- chriswoodford 10y ago
  There's something to be said for the question of if one can separate the art from the artist. There's a lot of debate about it in the realm of culture theory. That said, I've been on stage in Germany when Neo-Nazis tried to enter the venue to attend the show. The looks of legitimate distress on the attendees faces are something I won't forget. Personally, I find it really hard to separate art from artist and artist from political alignment.

arfar 10y ago

>You could not pay me to listen to Burzum. It's funny how tastes in music work. No 2 people are ever the same. Personally Burzum is my favourite from that scene. It's beyond stripped back. There's something that resonates with me about picking a nice simple melody, played on a plain old MIDI keyboard (presumably) with a basic sine-wavey type instrument and just riffing on the atmosphere for 8 minutes.

3131s 10y ago
> It's funny how tastes in music work. No 2 people are ever the same. Yep, attach an obligatory "IMO" to every statement that I write in this thread. I definitely agree that there's no objective truth as far as enjoying music. I listen to so much death metal that would sound like noise to most people and that contains eye-rolling levels of goofiness too (e.g. frog-like guttural vocals that I endure only because I like the instrumental parts so much).
- AndrewKemendo 10y ago
  I get a lot of hate from the metal community for the fact that CC is my favorite band of all time. Apparently they are too pop. Talk about a bubble. Doesn't matter, Butchered at Birth is the best DM album of all time IMO.
  - 3131s 10y ago
    My favorite DM album is Infester's "To the Depths... In Degradation" :)
    - AndrewKemendo 10y ago
      Another classic from Moribund. It's a draw between Satans Host and Drawn and Quartered as my favorite from that label. No shit the only album I used to be able to fall asleep while listening to was Hail Infernal Darkness. I saw Satans Host with Deicide in Colorado on June 6th 2006 too. Crazy show. I love Infester's grinds and sludge but the vocals are too muddy for me personally - they don't have the bite (range) of Schuldiner, Benton or Barnes.

AndrewKemendo 10y ago

Blasphemy! Seriously though I have never been a fan of any of the non-norwegian black metal acts and have found that it's not at all associated with the antics of the old days but rather that they have the right sound. Namely very analog - with exception of some of the symphonic black metal albums.

kbart 10y ago

"Norwegian black metal gets all the attention because of the church burnings, suicides, and murders, but musically there were much better scenes, IMO. The two that I like are Greek and Czech black metal, each of which had their own distinct sound." I would argue that Norwegian scene gets attention because it was among earliest (or even the earliest?). I'm sure that if you asked your favorite older bands from Greek or Czech they would cite Norwegian BM as their inspiration. Personally I'm not a fan of Norwegian BM as well and prefer French (Peste Noire, Amesoeurs, Pensées Nocturnes, Mütiilation, few LLN projects) and Polish scenes (Medico Peste, Batushka, Behemoth). Also, talking about BM, I cannot not to mention favorite band from my home country - Nahash. P.S. honestly, I'd never imagine a discussion about black metal here, on HN. Nice.

3131s 10y ago
I was surprised too! I had not heard Amesouers, Batushka , Medico Peste and Nahash before, but I like what I hear and am happy to see the more recent trend of black metal cross-pollinating with post-metal, doom, punk, shoegaze, etc. One of the things I find fascinating about metal is this development of different sounds from country to country. You're right to say that Norway came along very early, as did the South American scene with its more thrashy interpretation from bands like Sarcofago, Sextrash, Vulcano, Mystifier, etc. I hope that regional aspect isn't lost (or lost already) with the interconnectedness of the internet, but on the whole the internet has probably had a massively positive effect on music in general. And your country had a small but interesting death metal scene too! I am fond of Conscious Rot, Regredior and Ghostorm and even have a few old demos from those bands.
- kbart 10y ago
  "internet has probably had a massively positive effect on music in general." Yes, I agree with that. There are countless of interesting, unheard bands on the Internet from all over the world, not some clones of most popular bands, like it was usual in earlier days. Even Youtube offers some gems on random playlists from time to time. "I am fond of Conscious Rot, Regredior and Ghostorm and even have a few old demos from those bands." Wow, I'm surprised you know these bands, they are not widely known by younger "metalheads" even in my own country. Ghostorm was the all-time best metal band from Lithuania imho. Sadly, metal scene is virtually dead here nowadays..