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The original article was talking about specifically how this tax increase would affect higher earner families. It was not the intent of the story to describe th

The original article was talking about specifically how this tax increase would affect higher earner families. It was not the intent of the story to describe these as typical of the general population.

SilasX 10y ago
So the sad, sympathy-inducing facial expressions was just ... what? Something the artist independently decided to do?
- coolstorydude89 10y ago
  Not sure I understand what you are trying to imply? I think the artists intent was to show distress at having to pay large fines. I think that regardless of income people can(and usually do) feel distressed at having to pay thousands of dollars in fines. I personally wince at 20 dollar parking tickets, and probably always will despite my level of income.
  - vkou 10y ago
    Do you also wince at paying money for your groceries?
    - coolstorydude89 10y ago
      If I feel like what I am obtaining from an exchange of money for some thing, is less valuable to me than the amount of my lifetime/mental and physical energies I spent to acquire that money originally, I am probably not going to feel good about the exchange. This seems like common sense to me? It makes me feel even worse on general principle when the exchange is coercive, using my example, I parked in a place that was designated by "random person with authority" at "random point in time" as not to be parked in, so if I don't pay my locally sanctioned protection racket I will be penalized. I will never see this as a positive thing. EDIT: Also, it should be said that with things like taxes there is a distinct psychological effect/cognitive bias where people see less value in things where the effect or value of the transaction cannot be easily seen.
      - Kluny 10y ago
        How much are paved roads, fire trucks, city administrators, and hospitals worth to you?
        coolstorydude89 10y ago
        You are on the verge of straw-manning me, I am absolutely not some anti-tax advocate. I willingly pay fees based reasonably on a fraction of my overall income to pay for those services, and I see nothing wrong with that. But wanting these services for other people in the use-pool, and my personal use-level of the communal service-pool are two different things. The 'wince' from paying taxes comes from the psychological disconnect between my actual use-level of the services, it isn't logical, but it is definitely there. This psychological disconnect is where libertarian positions come in, people want to pay for what they make use of, and no more. I don't personally believe that individualistic positions make much sense, but I experience why people would advocate for them in a visceral way when I pay for services that I don't use. I have never once broken a bone or been a patient in a hospital for any reason, I have still paid for it. I have never once used a fire service, nor can I think of a single person I know that has off the top of my head, yet I still pay for it. The roads in my city are a great example because in my city the money has been mismanaged and they have not patched any pot-holes for over five years now. My morning commute to work across my city is as bumpy as rural country roads. And yet I am still paying for something? These things add up to that wince when I pay money, but that isn't to say that we shouldn't pay for the upkeep of these services and I would never advocate for people not acting collectively. I think the 'wince' is more of a symptom of how disconnected we are from the other people in our community. When we don't see the fruits of our monetary subsidies because we are disconnected from all the people around us we lack the positive stimulation our brains require to tell us we made a good purchase with our taxes.
- df3 10y ago
  The article's scope was only higher earning families. Of course the facial expressions were sad-- no one likes tax increases, merited or not. The artist isn't implying that the increases are unfair, but is simply depicting the effects of the cuts. I personally wouldn't be so upset if I were the woman.

SilasX 10y ago

So the sad, sympathy-inducing facial expressions was just ... what? Something the artist independently decided to do?

coolstorydude89 10y ago
Not sure I understand what you are trying to imply? I think the artists intent was to show distress at having to pay large fines. I think that regardless of income people can(and usually do) feel distressed at having to pay thousands of dollars in fines. I personally wince at 20 dollar parking tickets, and probably always will despite my level of income.
- vkou 10y ago
  Do you also wince at paying money for your groceries?
  - coolstorydude89 10y ago
    If I feel like what I am obtaining from an exchange of money for some thing, is less valuable to me than the amount of my lifetime/mental and physical energies I spent to acquire that money originally, I am probably not going to feel good about the exchange. This seems like common sense to me? It makes me feel even worse on general principle when the exchange is coercive, using my example, I parked in a place that was designated by "random person with authority" at "random point in time" as not to be parked in, so if I don't pay my locally sanctioned protection racket I will be penalized. I will never see this as a positive thing. EDIT: Also, it should be said that with things like taxes there is a distinct psychological effect/cognitive bias where people see less value in things where the effect or value of the transaction cannot be easily seen.
    - Kluny 10y ago
      How much are paved roads, fire trucks, city administrators, and hospitals worth to you?
      - coolstorydude89 10y ago
        You are on the verge of straw-manning me, I am absolutely not some anti-tax advocate. I willingly pay fees based reasonably on a fraction of my overall income to pay for those services, and I see nothing wrong with that. But wanting these services for other people in the use-pool, and my personal use-level of the communal service-pool are two different things. The 'wince' from paying taxes comes from the psychological disconnect between my actual use-level of the services, it isn't logical, but it is definitely there. This psychological disconnect is where libertarian positions come in, people want to pay for what they make use of, and no more. I don't personally believe that individualistic positions make much sense, but I experience why people would advocate for them in a visceral way when I pay for services that I don't use. I have never once broken a bone or been a patient in a hospital for any reason, I have still paid for it. I have never once used a fire service, nor can I think of a single person I know that has off the top of my head, yet I still pay for it. The roads in my city are a great example because in my city the money has been mismanaged and they have not patched any pot-holes for over five years now. My morning commute to work across my city is as bumpy as rural country roads. And yet I am still paying for something? These things add up to that wince when I pay money, but that isn't to say that we shouldn't pay for the upkeep of these services and I would never advocate for people not acting collectively. I think the 'wince' is more of a symptom of how disconnected we are from the other people in our community. When we don't see the fruits of our monetary subsidies because we are disconnected from all the people around us we lack the positive stimulation our brains require to tell us we made a good purchase with our taxes.
df3 10y ago
The article's scope was only higher earning families. Of course the facial expressions were sad-- no one likes tax increases, merited or not. The artist isn't implying that the increases are unfair, but is simply depicting the effects of the cuts. I personally wouldn't be so upset if I were the woman.