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「日本語が知っています」と「日本語が話せます」が違います。 I actually think this is because our opinions differ. I'm running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves all aspe

by Nadya 10y ago

「日本語が知っています」と「日本語が話せます」が違います。 I actually think this is because our opinions differ. I'm running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves all aspects, spoken and written. You're running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves only being able to speak the language. You're correct. If someone's only goal is to learn to speak a language - then they don't need the writing system and can use romanizations with little issue. However, when (not if) they decide to learn the writing system they're shooting themselves in the foot and doing themselves a disservice. They may not decide to learn the written form for an entire decade, but if they ever live in a country where they need to use the language on a daily basis - the country isn't going to change all their signs to romanizations of the language just so they can find their way around town.

emodendroket 10y ago
> I actually think this is because our opinions differ. I'm running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves all aspects, spoken and written. You're running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves only being able to speak the language. You've rather misconstrued what I'm saying. I object, specifically, to the idea that the writing system determines pronunciation. It's also less than clear (it is contentious among educators, at any rate) that learning the writing system first is the best way to learn Japanese -- although, hey it worked for me. If you want to argue that you have to learn the writing system that Japanese people use to read and write Japanese and hope to have people understand you, well, of course that's true, but it's so blindingly obvious I don't know why you feel the need to argue about it. > the country isn't going to change all their signs to romanizations of the language just so they can find their way around town. Probably a bad example since you have to go pretty damn far afield before the signs aren't all also in the Roman alphabet. Also, nobody says "x-go ga sittemasu" to mean "I know such-and-such a language."

by Nadya 10y ago

emodendroket 10y ago

> I actually think this is because our opinions differ. I'm running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves all aspects, spoken and written. You're running under the assumption that "learning Japanese" involves only being able to speak the language. You've rather misconstrued what I'm saying. I object, specifically, to the idea that the writing system determines pronunciation. It's also less than clear (it is contentious among educators, at any rate) that learning the writing system first is the best way to learn Japanese -- although, hey it worked for me. If you want to argue that you have to learn the writing system that Japanese people use to read and write Japanese and hope to have people understand you, well, of course that's true, but it's so blindingly obvious I don't know why you feel the need to argue about it. > the country isn't going to change all their signs to romanizations of the language just so they can find their way around town. Probably a bad example since you have to go pretty damn far afield before the signs aren't all also in the Roman alphabet. Also, nobody says "x-go ga sittemasu" to mean "I know such-and-such a language."