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My initial reaction was "Great!", then i shared this with my partner and her response was "Fuck nestle. They are just saying what people want to hear" Thinkin

by verelo 10y ago

My initial reaction was "Great!", then i shared this with my partner and her response was "Fuck nestle. They are just saying what people want to hear" Thinking more critically, I share her concern. The way they've been buying water away from local towns makes me think they just need a positive PR spin to distract us from the real issues. * http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/09/23/boycott-nestle-water_n_12157042.html http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/09/23/boycott-nestle-water...

huherto 10y ago
I don't get this outrage over Nestle bottle water. The amount of water that is bottled for human consumption must be minuscule compared with many other usages like household, agricultural and industrial. Furthermore, it is not like the water is wasted. It is actual consumed by humans who live not too far from the place where the water was bottled.
- mhalle 10y ago
  At the risk of continuing off-topic, the "outrage" over Nestle bottled water in this case was due to Nestle starting to draw large amounts of water at about 1/100th the residential water cost from an region under mandatory water restrictions due to drought. Blame Nestle and/or the local government, but it does seem short-sighted and suboptimal. In general, though, bottled water isn't consumed close to its generation point: it's packaged in plastic bottles and trucked away. There's an environmental cost. And many of the bottles that are consumed locally contain the same water people could have gotten straight from the tap, so the environmental cost is lower but more pointless.
  - greenshackle2 10y ago
    I agree they should pay the full price, and that bottled water is wasteful, but 4 million litres per day is not a large amount. It's equivalent to the daily consumption of around 8000 people. Or equivalent to the water needed to irrigate a laughably small farm.
    - russum 10y ago
      4,000,000 / 8,000 == 500 liters per day per person?
      - huherto 10y ago
        http://www.csgnetwork.com/waterusagecalc.html http://www.csgnetwork.com/waterusagecalc.html 600 Gallons per day * 3.7 = 2,271 liters per day. That is just water without counting the water used to grow the food we use. Meanwhile 4,000,000 liters can be benefit 4,000,000 people that drink 1 liter of bottled water a day. Drinking water is as efficient use of water as it is possible. I rather drink from the faucet if possible but lots of people prefer bottle water.
  - joelwilliamson 10y ago
    There is no drought in Southern Ontario. They are drawing well water, not residential water. A farmer could draw that much water and pay absolutely nothing.
    - ant6n 10y ago
      Doesn't a farmer feed the water back into the well, in a manner of speaking?
      - verelo 10y ago
        Doesn't a farmer feed us all? That water goes into making products that are likely much better for us than Kit Kats.
        ant6n 10y ago
        I guess that depends on the farmer...
- greenshackle2 10y ago
  I'm not saying Nestle isn't evil, but yeah, in terms of water scarcity, they're inconsequential. The real problem for water scarcity, is not overpriced-as-fuck water. It will always be a tiny slice of water use, because it is overpriced as fuck. The problem is water being given away for free or nearly-free for nonessential low-value uses. The consensus solution among water management professionals is full water pricing. > in southern Ontario, bottled water giant Nestlé continues to extract four million litres of groundwater every day Wow! That's like, four billion millilitres! Let's use the smallest unit of measurement we can for maximum outrage. That's like, almost two entire olympic swimming po.. oh.
- billmalarky 10y ago
  Nestle has tapped into the water supply in developing markets like Pakistan. As a result the water table is lowered (and quality of water drops) so people in the area cannot get access to clean water from local wells, and are forced to purchase Nestle "pure life" water at an insane markup. Scroll down to page 25 and look for: "9. Human Rights Concerns about Nestlé’s ‘Pure Life’" http://www.alliancesud.ch/en/policy/climate/downloads/nestle-pakistan.pdf http://www.alliancesud.ch/en/policy/climate/downloads/nestle... Nestle is not the sole water extractor that is causing this issue, but their business model (extract local water, bottle, mark-up, sell) is unconscionable in _this_ context. They aren't adding value, they are simply taking advantage of a developing country's weak regulatory framework. Their business model (for this particular product) would not be immoral in an environment where access to local water was abundant.
davidgerard 10y ago
Nestlé to mulch only organic, non-GMO babies from 2015 VEVEY, Suisse, Thursday (NTN) — Nestlé will be removing all artificial flavours and colours, like Red 40, Yellow 5 and Screaming Agony 666, from its chocolate candy products by the end of 2015, replacing them with the delicious tears of malnourished infants. “Nestlé is the world’s leading nutrition, health and — hold on, is this right? — wellness company, or the first world’s at least,” said Doreen Ida, Nestlé USA Confections & Snacks president. Consumers have long surveyed as wanting food not to contain artificial colours, flavours, genetic modifications, DNA, microwaves, wifi, chemicals or atoms, apparently preferring to eat alchemical workings using only the four humours. “We have consulted with Food Babe on a new process, using only pure, wholesome, organic and sustainably-farmed pain and suffering, guaranteed to be from poor people in a country that isn’t yours. We know you are fully willing to make sacrifices to improve your lifestyle, as long as those sacrifices are of other people halfway around the world.” The nourishing tears of children dying in pain are the vital ingredient in the new process, preferably those gathered from tainted formula induced dysentery. “Obviously too foolish and dissolute to use safe Nestlé privatised water!” All babies are certified to have grown up in an environment with minimal quantities of artificial chemicals, electromagnetic radiation or modern allopathic medicines. “We never compromise on taste. Maintaining the great taste and appearance consumers expect from the chocolate brands they know and love is our number-one priority. It is technically true that a mountain of suffering goes into every bite, but we’d never let that compete with your convenience. Nestlé: Good Food, Good Life. Yours, Anyway.” http://newstechnica.com/2015/02/17/nestle-to-mulch-only-organic-non-gmo-babies-from-2015/ http://newstechnica.com/2015/02/17/nestle-to-mulch-only-orga...

by verelo 10y ago

huherto 10y ago

I don't get this outrage over Nestle bottle water. The amount of water that is bottled for human consumption must be minuscule compared with many other usages like household, agricultural and industrial. Furthermore, it is not like the water is wasted. It is actual consumed by humans who live not too far from the place where the water was bottled.

mhalle 10y ago
At the risk of continuing off-topic, the "outrage" over Nestle bottled water in this case was due to Nestle starting to draw large amounts of water at about 1/100th the residential water cost from an region under mandatory water restrictions due to drought. Blame Nestle and/or the local government, but it does seem short-sighted and suboptimal. In general, though, bottled water isn't consumed close to its generation point: it's packaged in plastic bottles and trucked away. There's an environmental cost. And many of the bottles that are consumed locally contain the same water people could have gotten straight from the tap, so the environmental cost is lower but more pointless.
- greenshackle2 10y ago
  I agree they should pay the full price, and that bottled water is wasteful, but 4 million litres per day is not a large amount. It's equivalent to the daily consumption of around 8000 people. Or equivalent to the water needed to irrigate a laughably small farm.
  - russum 10y ago
    4,000,000 / 8,000 == 500 liters per day per person?
    - huherto 10y ago
      http://www.csgnetwork.com/waterusagecalc.html http://www.csgnetwork.com/waterusagecalc.html 600 Gallons per day * 3.7 = 2,271 liters per day. That is just water without counting the water used to grow the food we use. Meanwhile 4,000,000 liters can be benefit 4,000,000 people that drink 1 liter of bottled water a day. Drinking water is as efficient use of water as it is possible. I rather drink from the faucet if possible but lots of people prefer bottle water.
- joelwilliamson 10y ago
  There is no drought in Southern Ontario. They are drawing well water, not residential water. A farmer could draw that much water and pay absolutely nothing.
  - ant6n 10y ago
    Doesn't a farmer feed the water back into the well, in a manner of speaking?
    - verelo 10y ago
      Doesn't a farmer feed us all? That water goes into making products that are likely much better for us than Kit Kats.
      - ant6n 10y ago
        I guess that depends on the farmer...
greenshackle2 10y ago
I'm not saying Nestle isn't evil, but yeah, in terms of water scarcity, they're inconsequential. The real problem for water scarcity, is not overpriced-as-fuck water. It will always be a tiny slice of water use, because it is overpriced as fuck. The problem is water being given away for free or nearly-free for nonessential low-value uses. The consensus solution among water management professionals is full water pricing. > in southern Ontario, bottled water giant Nestlé continues to extract four million litres of groundwater every day Wow! That's like, four billion millilitres! Let's use the smallest unit of measurement we can for maximum outrage. That's like, almost two entire olympic swimming po.. oh.
billmalarky 10y ago
Nestle has tapped into the water supply in developing markets like Pakistan. As a result the water table is lowered (and quality of water drops) so people in the area cannot get access to clean water from local wells, and are forced to purchase Nestle "pure life" water at an insane markup. Scroll down to page 25 and look for: "9. Human Rights Concerns about Nestlé’s ‘Pure Life’" http://www.alliancesud.ch/en/policy/climate/downloads/nestle-pakistan.pdf http://www.alliancesud.ch/en/policy/climate/downloads/nestle... Nestle is not the sole water extractor that is causing this issue, but their business model (extract local water, bottle, mark-up, sell) is unconscionable in _this_ context. They aren't adding value, they are simply taking advantage of a developing country's weak regulatory framework. Their business model (for this particular product) would not be immoral in an environment where access to local water was abundant.

davidgerard 10y ago

Nestlé to mulch only organic, non-GMO babies from 2015 VEVEY, Suisse, Thursday (NTN) — Nestlé will be removing all artificial flavours and colours, like Red 40, Yellow 5 and Screaming Agony 666, from its chocolate candy products by the end of 2015, replacing them with the delicious tears of malnourished infants. “Nestlé is the world’s leading nutrition, health and — hold on, is this right? — wellness company, or the first world’s at least,” said Doreen Ida, Nestlé USA Confections & Snacks president. Consumers have long surveyed as wanting food not to contain artificial colours, flavours, genetic modifications, DNA, microwaves, wifi, chemicals or atoms, apparently preferring to eat alchemical workings using only the four humours. “We have consulted with Food Babe on a new process, using only pure, wholesome, organic and sustainably-farmed pain and suffering, guaranteed to be from poor people in a country that isn’t yours. We know you are fully willing to make sacrifices to improve your lifestyle, as long as those sacrifices are of other people halfway around the world.” The nourishing tears of children dying in pain are the vital ingredient in the new process, preferably those gathered from tainted formula induced dysentery. “Obviously too foolish and dissolute to use safe Nestlé privatised water!” All babies are certified to have grown up in an environment with minimal quantities of artificial chemicals, electromagnetic radiation or modern allopathic medicines. “We never compromise on taste. Maintaining the great taste and appearance consumers expect from the chocolate brands they know and love is our number-one priority. It is technically true that a mountain of suffering goes into every bite, but we’d never let that compete with your convenience. Nestlé: Good Food, Good Life. Yours, Anyway.” http://newstechnica.com/2015/02/17/nestle-to-mulch-only-organic-non-gmo-babies-from-2015/ http://newstechnica.com/2015/02/17/nestle-to-mulch-only-orga...