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The New CEO’s First Moves

27 points by douche 10y ago

exabrial 10y ago
Conspiracy theories aside, rational, open discourse is necessary for a free society. Another HN user put it very eloquently: This U.S. election has been an important inflection point in displaying the bias and application of bias by "apparently" disinterested entities like Twitter, reddit and the like - places that claim to advocate diversity and openness, yet struggle to do so in the face of conflict.
- clifanatic 10y ago
  > struggle to do so I don't think they're struggling very hard. If anything, they're struggling to make it look like there's anything except complete bias.
hartator 10y ago
> Facts don’t matter. What matters is how you feel. This is why democrats lost the elections. Facts matter. You can't justify war on ISIS based on their barbaric laws and think Saudi Arabia financing HRC is the best thing ever. People can see the dissonance.
- vinay427 10y ago
  I hope those people can also see the dissonance between Trump's campaign positions and some of his current cabinet picks. We'll need all of the skepticism (but not cynicism) that we can muster.
- daughart 10y ago
  Except "Saudia Arabia financing HRC" is not a factual statement.
  - hartator 10y ago
    > Saudi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of Saudi Arabia, which was co-founded by a Saudi prince. Ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinto...
    - caseydurfee 10y ago
      The Clinton Foundation is a global healthcare charity. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680 https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summar... It does not personally benefit the Clintons (other than the prestige). I've donated to Michael J. Fox's foundation. Does that make me his benefactor?
      - btdiehr 10y ago
        Is this why Clinton Foundation donations have massively fallen sense she lost the election? Are we now assuming every charity is on equal moral grounds?
        dragonwriter 10y ago
        > Is this why Clinton Foundation donations have massively fallen sense she lost the election? If you are already see Clinton as corrupt, you'll see the reported drop in, particularly, foreign-government-linked donations as Clinton having less influence to sell. If you already see Trump as petty and vindictive, or even merely widely perceived as such, you'Lloyd see it is people who may need to deal with the Trump Administration avoiding antagonizing that Administration.
        btdiehr 10y ago
        How about the Qataar donation of a million dollars to the CF which they never reported? > The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-id...
- serge2k 10y ago
  > This is why democrats lost the elections. Facts matter. Trump lies constantly. He lies about lying. He lies about lying about lying. People don't care. He went up on stage and said vaccines are bad and like magic everyone started nodding and saying yup, they are bad.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    When you're drowning, no one gives a damn if you tell them the water is cold. They'll listen to anyone who says they'll get them out alive. I don't understand anyone who doesn't understand how Trump won.
bko 10y ago
Reading Scott Adams is exhausting. I feel like his posts are a writing exercise to see how many times one can use the words persuasion You don't need a business filter to understand that politicians love high visibility projects. A common thread with Adams posts is that he fetishises anything Trump does as genius and, prior to the election, demonizes everything Clinton did as manipulative. That and he gave a lot of credit to conspiracy theories. Honestly I think he's trolling by now.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
  > Honestly I think he's trolling by now. You're giving him more credit than I think he's due.
serge2k 10y ago
was Scott Adams always insane and he got exposed this election, or did something happen to him? Edit: To be clear I mean the constant "I'm being watched/I'm being abused/they want to kill me" conspiracy theories that have been coupled with his lavish praise for Trump.
- socalnate1 10y ago
  He was always insane, it was just better hidden. See the very end of his 1997 book "The Dilbert Future" where he essentially tells us how he bends the universe to his will with "The Secret" style positive thinking.
- bbctol 10y ago
  He started getting real weird after his divorce.
Jordrok 10y ago
Ok, ignoring all the other Trump stuff in the post for the moment, I'm confused about something. At the end, he claims to be shadowbanned on Twitter, yet a quick check of his twitter account shows his last tweet was 4 hours ago, and he has visible tweets for every day for as far back as I bothered to check. (about a week) Am I missing something?
- btdiehr 10y ago
  He's referring to the fact that his tweets won't appear in peoples streams, this is a way to reduce his influence in the twitter sphere.
  - Jordrok 10y ago
    Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. As a side note, I wanted to check if that was really the case so I just created a new twitter account to test with, and even with the "Tailor Twitter based on my recent website visits" option unchecked, Scott Adams showed up as the very first and only suggested person to follow in the "You might also be interested in" section. Creepy... EDIT: ---- And holy shit, I just refreshed the page and now I see this: Your account has been locked. (Your Name) @(username) What happened? Your account appears to have exhibited automated behavior that violates the Twitter Rules. To unlock your account, please complete the steps below and confirm that you are the valid account owner. What you can do: To unlock your account, you must do the following: Verify your phone number Goddamnit Twitter, you are not doing yourself any favors here.
    - Ronin354 10y ago
      Honestly because of people like you who takes time to fact check and post the method used are the only reason I come to HN. Strangely I have never met people like this in real life. Long live internet.
    - btdiehr 10y ago
      I can't comment on the validity of Scott Adams claims on being censored, but he wrote a long post about it. His claim isn't that the posts never appear, but that is there was a singular point in time when his 'influence' acutely decreased. I imagine twitter has a 'relevancy' number that is required for a tweet to appear on a timeline, I suppose this could be done by upping the required relevancy for the 'lightly censored' users.

27 points by douche 10y ago

Conspiracy theories aside, rational, open discourse is necessary for a free society. Another HN user put it very eloquently: This U.S. election has been an important inflection point in displaying the bias and application of bias by "apparently" disinterested entities like Twitter, reddit and the like - places that claim to advocate diversity and openness, yet struggle to do so in the face of conflict.

clifanatic 10y ago
> struggle to do so I don't think they're struggling very hard. If anything, they're struggling to make it look like there's anything except complete bias.

hartator 10y ago

> Facts don’t matter. What matters is how you feel. This is why democrats lost the elections. Facts matter. You can't justify war on ISIS based on their barbaric laws and think Saudi Arabia financing HRC is the best thing ever. People can see the dissonance.

vinay427 10y ago
I hope those people can also see the dissonance between Trump's campaign positions and some of his current cabinet picks. We'll need all of the skepticism (but not cynicism) that we can muster.
daughart 10y ago
Except "Saudia Arabia financing HRC" is not a factual statement.
- hartator 10y ago
  > Saudi Arabia has been a particularly generous benefactor. The kingdom gave between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation. (Donations are typically reported in broad ranges, not specific amounts.) At least $1 million more was donated by Friends of Saudi Arabia, which was co-founded by a Saudi prince. Ref: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-charity.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/hillary-clinto...
  - caseydurfee 10y ago
    The Clinton Foundation is a global healthcare charity. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680 https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summar... It does not personally benefit the Clintons (other than the prestige). I've donated to Michael J. Fox's foundation. Does that make me his benefactor?
    - btdiehr 10y ago
      Is this why Clinton Foundation donations have massively fallen sense she lost the election? Are we now assuming every charity is on equal moral grounds?
      - dragonwriter 10y ago
        > Is this why Clinton Foundation donations have massively fallen sense she lost the election? If you are already see Clinton as corrupt, you'll see the reported drop in, particularly, foreign-government-linked donations as Clinton having less influence to sell. If you already see Trump as petty and vindictive, or even merely widely perceived as such, you'Lloyd see it is people who may need to deal with the Trump Administration avoiding antagonizing that Administration.
        btdiehr 10y ago
        How about the Qataar donation of a million dollars to the CF which they never reported? > The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-id...
serge2k 10y ago
> This is why democrats lost the elections. Facts matter. Trump lies constantly. He lies about lying. He lies about lying about lying. People don't care. He went up on stage and said vaccines are bad and like magic everyone started nodding and saying yup, they are bad.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  When you're drowning, no one gives a damn if you tell them the water is cold. They'll listen to anyone who says they'll get them out alive. I don't understand anyone who doesn't understand how Trump won.

bko 10y ago

Reading Scott Adams is exhausting. I feel like his posts are a writing exercise to see how many times one can use the words persuasion You don't need a business filter to understand that politicians love high visibility projects. A common thread with Adams posts is that he fetishises anything Trump does as genius and, prior to the election, demonizes everything Clinton did as manipulative. That and he gave a lot of credit to conspiracy theories. Honestly I think he's trolling by now.

GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
> Honestly I think he's trolling by now. You're giving him more credit than I think he's due.

serge2k 10y ago

was Scott Adams always insane and he got exposed this election, or did something happen to him? Edit: To be clear I mean the constant "I'm being watched/I'm being abused/they want to kill me" conspiracy theories that have been coupled with his lavish praise for Trump.

socalnate1 10y ago
He was always insane, it was just better hidden. See the very end of his 1997 book "The Dilbert Future" where he essentially tells us how he bends the universe to his will with "The Secret" style positive thinking.
bbctol 10y ago
He started getting real weird after his divorce.

Jordrok 10y ago

Ok, ignoring all the other Trump stuff in the post for the moment, I'm confused about something. At the end, he claims to be shadowbanned on Twitter, yet a quick check of his twitter account shows his last tweet was 4 hours ago, and he has visible tweets for every day for as far back as I bothered to check. (about a week) Am I missing something?

btdiehr 10y ago
He's referring to the fact that his tweets won't appear in peoples streams, this is a way to reduce his influence in the twitter sphere.
- Jordrok 10y ago
  Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. As a side note, I wanted to check if that was really the case so I just created a new twitter account to test with, and even with the "Tailor Twitter based on my recent website visits" option unchecked, Scott Adams showed up as the very first and only suggested person to follow in the "You might also be interested in" section. Creepy... EDIT: ---- And holy shit, I just refreshed the page and now I see this: Your account has been locked. (Your Name) @(username) What happened? Your account appears to have exhibited automated behavior that violates the Twitter Rules. To unlock your account, please complete the steps below and confirm that you are the valid account owner. What you can do: To unlock your account, you must do the following: Verify your phone number Goddamnit Twitter, you are not doing yourself any favors here.
  - Ronin354 10y ago
    Honestly because of people like you who takes time to fact check and post the method used are the only reason I come to HN. Strangely I have never met people like this in real life. Long live internet.
  - btdiehr 10y ago
    I can't comment on the validity of Scott Adams claims on being censored, but he wrote a long post about it. His claim isn't that the posts never appear, but that is there was a singular point in time when his 'influence' acutely decreased. I imagine twitter has a 'relevancy' number that is required for a tweet to appear on a timeline, I suppose this could be done by upping the required relevancy for the 'lightly censored' users.