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I really do want to believe this guy; that's why I think that it is other forces within MS that are causing IE snail-speed progress.

by lenni 16y ago

jasonlotito 16y ago
IE snail-speed progress? The IE9 rending engine is impressive. And the work being done is much more impressive than with the other browser makers. Consider the amount of discussion they put out about rounded corners. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/19/the-css-corner-about-css-corners.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/19/the-css-corner-a... When you look at something like this, you realize that it's not just the standard that needs to be finalized, but how the result should look. So while Firefox can say we support rounded borders, the net isn't well thought out. Browser makers are racing to mark of checkboxes of success. IE9 may not be the quickest to the block, but it's clear that the IE team isn't just trying to meet the standards. Edit: I do want to point out that I think your question is a valid one, and while they've recently released updates to their browser rather quickly over the last few years, it feels like all together, they have been slow in releasing anything really impressive, or not just playing catch up.
- lenni 16y ago
  Maybe they really are trying to get it right the first time 'round but things like SVG have been in other browsers for years. They will only be available to the ordinary IE users next year. This should not have taken so long. I still can't help but feel that Microsoft is dragging their heels and always points at some formality when asked why things are the way they are.
- jacobolus 16y ago
  > the work being done is much more impressive than with the other browser makers Are you serious? All the other browser vendors also have blogs, on which they have routinely discussed the details of web rendering for years. How does Microsoft also adopting this practice within the last year or two make them unique?
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    > Are you serious? Yes. > All the other browser vendors also have blogs, So? What does a blog have to do with proper rendering? > on which they have routinely discussed the details of web rendering for years. Great. They talk about rendering. > How does Microsoft also adopting this practice within the last year or two make them unique? It doesn't. What makes you think it does? The impressive thing I was referring to was the actual rendering results. To be fair, I was mostly comparing what IE9 is going to do with what Chrome/Firefox/etc are doing now, but still. IE9's implementation of something looks impressive.

I really do want to believe this guy; that's why I think that it is other forces within MS that are causing IE snail-speed progress.

by lenni 16y ago

I really do want to believe this guy; that's why I think that it is other forces within MS that are causing IE snail-speed progress.

jasonlotito 16y ago

IE snail-speed progress? The IE9 rending engine is impressive. And the work being done is much more impressive than with the other browser makers. Consider the amount of discussion they put out about rounded corners. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/19/the-css-corner-about-css-corners.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/03/19/the-css-corner-a... When you look at something like this, you realize that it's not just the standard that needs to be finalized, but how the result should look. So while Firefox can say we support rounded borders, the net isn't well thought out. Browser makers are racing to mark of checkboxes of success. IE9 may not be the quickest to the block, but it's clear that the IE team isn't just trying to meet the standards. Edit: I do want to point out that I think your question is a valid one, and while they've recently released updates to their browser rather quickly over the last few years, it feels like all together, they have been slow in releasing anything really impressive, or not just playing catch up.

lenni 16y ago
Maybe they really are trying to get it right the first time 'round but things like SVG have been in other browsers for years. They will only be available to the ordinary IE users next year. This should not have taken so long. I still can't help but feel that Microsoft is dragging their heels and always points at some formality when asked why things are the way they are.
jacobolus 16y ago
> the work being done is much more impressive than with the other browser makers Are you serious? All the other browser vendors also have blogs, on which they have routinely discussed the details of web rendering for years. How does Microsoft also adopting this practice within the last year or two make them unique?
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  > Are you serious? Yes. > All the other browser vendors also have blogs, So? What does a blog have to do with proper rendering? > on which they have routinely discussed the details of web rendering for years. Great. They talk about rendering. > How does Microsoft also adopting this practice within the last year or two make them unique? It doesn't. What makes you think it does? The impressive thing I was referring to was the actual rendering results. To be fair, I was mostly comparing what IE9 is going to do with what Chrome/Firefox/etc are doing now, but still. IE9's implementation of something looks impressive.