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This is just hyperbole tripe. Ridiculous. Flagged. The worrying thing is not the 'surveillance' or 'privacy'. It's how obsessed and unhinged this man is, putti

by axod 17y ago

This is just hyperbole tripe. Ridiculous. Flagged. The worrying thing is not the 'surveillance' or 'privacy'. It's how obsessed and unhinged this man is, putting ridiculous things before his own family. tl;dr = Man gets obsessed about privacy, Leaves his wife and kids for a fun chase. Detectives find his facebook page, work out where wife is having baby, phone hospital pretend to be him, and when something is wrong with baby they all turn up and detectives get him. WTF does that prove?

conanite 17y ago
Why ridiculous? It's the story of a guy who hires two detectives to track him down, his attempts to evade them, and their techniques for catching him. It's an interesting experiment, well worth documenting. He comes across as a bit paranoid, perhaps, but making privacy issues more public is a worthy endeavour, no?
- axod 17y ago
  No. It's not. "The average UK adult is now registered on more than 700 databases and is caught many times each day by nearly five million CCTV cameras." Is designed to scare people. Even though it's BS. Most of those cameras are firstly in massive cities. Secondly, most of them are simply connected to some dumb VHS recorder that only gets checked if there is some crime. Personally, I think it's more important for him to support his wife and kids rather than running off and pretending to be a spy. Also, first rule of hiding, don't have a pregnant wife or dependents, because hiding will be pretty hard.
  - gaius 17y ago
    He's a filmmaker. This is how he supports his wife and kids.
    - axod 17y ago
      idk. All the article shows me is that this is an unhinged man in need of help.
      - gaius 17y ago
        She presumably knew he was a creative artist when she married him, that's probably even why she found him attractive.
        axod 17y ago
        "creative artist" my arse. As Bond became more obsessed, Katie became increasingly annoyed. They argued over filling in a form for Ivy’s nursery. “They can use this data for God knows what!” Bond yelled. “I thought, for God’s sake, no one else worries about this,” Katie remembers. “Why do we have to?” She tried to reassure him: “It’s fine. They’re not going to do anything weird with our data. If some kind of weird government comes in, we’ll opt out.” He wasn’t convinced.
        gaius 17y ago
        Creative types are a bit temperamental, everyone knows that. And that's very naive thing for her to say... Weird governments don't let you just "opt out".
  - weego 17y ago
    This is exactly correct. You only have to look at the criticism of Mi5 not having the resources to track people they knew were potential terrorists when they crossed paths with people they were actively tracking to know that the chances that anything I do all day even being looked at by a human are almost nothing. Also my experience dealing with HMRC shows me even people in the civil service who are paid to know what I'm doing suffer from such data disorganisation and unconnection that I have no fears at all about it's use. I'm far more worried about how it is stored and secured, and also how commercial entities that have power over my status in society (read credit agencies) gather and do not verify data that may, through no fault of my own, affect my life. One of my friends from way back had someone elses credit black list applied to her purely based on them having the same name even though they live in completely different areas of the country.
    - axod 17y ago
      I too had my identity stolen and had the hassle of cleaning my credit history. But that's a separate problem. The problem wasn't my privacy, the problem was that I moved out of an address, some junk mail came for me after I'd left, and so the new resident used my name to run up some bills. You can steal identities by simply knowing a name and an address such is the broken credit check system. That's not proving that things need to be stored and secured better. It's showing that credit agencies need to actually use some common sense. (In my case the fraudulent entries didn't even match my date of birth).
  - conanite 17y ago
    I accept your point about the cameras. The movie in question also covers other kinds of privacy leaks. Another way to research a documentary about privacy, or lack thereof, would be to go do a bunch of interviews with detectives, police, and DB admins at Tesco. Yawn. This guy chose to live the experience of trying to hide - he's not pretending to be a spy, he's pretending to be spied on. As another commenter said, this is his job, it's how he supports him family.
  - anigbrowl 17y ago
    Is designed to scare people. Even though it's BS. Most of those cameras are firstly in massive cities. Well, lots of people live in those massive cities...and by cities, I mean anywhere with a population of >100k or so. It's easy to be blase about it from a viewer's perspective. I lived in London from 88-96 and was surprised to see how much surveillance increased during that time. On the rare occasions when I go back I find it quite unpleasant and intrusive to see so many cameras. Certainly one can argue the old 'if you're not doing anything wrong...' position. But what's 'wrong' is not guaranteed to be fair or consistent, but can change quite quickly if the political climate shifts - and it's comforting but mistaken to assume all our mistakes are behind us and things can only improve. Sometimes they decline, and under those circumstances ubiquitous surveillance paired with ample state funding for technological improvements presents a serious danger. Consider that by the time the Berlin wall fell, the East German secret police operated a network of informers estimated to comprise ~2% of the whole population - some claim it was much higher. that's not a healthy use of resources or authority. Didn't downvote you BTW - I disagree but I don't consider a variance in opinion justifies all the negatives.
    - axod 17y ago
      My main issue though is that articles hand wave about these cameras, implying that they are a state owned program of surveillance. They're not. Companies, shops, town councils, decide independently to install cameras.
- retube 17y ago
  The concept of trying to evade detectives you've hired to track you down is vaguely arresting... but has nothing to do with the surveillance issue he is trying to highlight, as others have pointed out here. To be honest, it sounds really lame, particularly his freaking out and so on, given the entire thing is contrived for a TV show. Plus I would say - wtf disappearing for a month with his wife heavily pregnant. Bullshit "work commitments". What on earth could have prevented them doing it in 3 or 6 months??
  - conanite 17y ago
    In 3 or 6 months his wife has a small baby to deal with. As far as I can tell (I'm not the right gender), babies are easier to deal with while they're still inside.
retube 17y ago
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by axod 17y ago

conanite 17y ago

Why ridiculous? It's the story of a guy who hires two detectives to track him down, his attempts to evade them, and their techniques for catching him. It's an interesting experiment, well worth documenting. He comes across as a bit paranoid, perhaps, but making privacy issues more public is a worthy endeavour, no?

axod 17y ago
No. It's not. "The average UK adult is now registered on more than 700 databases and is caught many times each day by nearly five million CCTV cameras." Is designed to scare people. Even though it's BS. Most of those cameras are firstly in massive cities. Secondly, most of them are simply connected to some dumb VHS recorder that only gets checked if there is some crime. Personally, I think it's more important for him to support his wife and kids rather than running off and pretending to be a spy. Also, first rule of hiding, don't have a pregnant wife or dependents, because hiding will be pretty hard.
- gaius 17y ago
  He's a filmmaker. This is how he supports his wife and kids.
  - axod 17y ago
    idk. All the article shows me is that this is an unhinged man in need of help.
    - gaius 17y ago
      She presumably knew he was a creative artist when she married him, that's probably even why she found him attractive.
      - axod 17y ago
        "creative artist" my arse. As Bond became more obsessed, Katie became increasingly annoyed. They argued over filling in a form for Ivy’s nursery. “They can use this data for God knows what!” Bond yelled. “I thought, for God’s sake, no one else worries about this,” Katie remembers. “Why do we have to?” She tried to reassure him: “It’s fine. They’re not going to do anything weird with our data. If some kind of weird government comes in, we’ll opt out.” He wasn’t convinced.
        gaius 17y ago
        Creative types are a bit temperamental, everyone knows that. And that's very naive thing for her to say... Weird governments don't let you just "opt out".
- weego 17y ago
  This is exactly correct. You only have to look at the criticism of Mi5 not having the resources to track people they knew were potential terrorists when they crossed paths with people they were actively tracking to know that the chances that anything I do all day even being looked at by a human are almost nothing. Also my experience dealing with HMRC shows me even people in the civil service who are paid to know what I'm doing suffer from such data disorganisation and unconnection that I have no fears at all about it's use. I'm far more worried about how it is stored and secured, and also how commercial entities that have power over my status in society (read credit agencies) gather and do not verify data that may, through no fault of my own, affect my life. One of my friends from way back had someone elses credit black list applied to her purely based on them having the same name even though they live in completely different areas of the country.
  - axod 17y ago
    I too had my identity stolen and had the hassle of cleaning my credit history. But that's a separate problem. The problem wasn't my privacy, the problem was that I moved out of an address, some junk mail came for me after I'd left, and so the new resident used my name to run up some bills. You can steal identities by simply knowing a name and an address such is the broken credit check system. That's not proving that things need to be stored and secured better. It's showing that credit agencies need to actually use some common sense. (In my case the fraudulent entries didn't even match my date of birth).
- conanite 17y ago
  I accept your point about the cameras. The movie in question also covers other kinds of privacy leaks. Another way to research a documentary about privacy, or lack thereof, would be to go do a bunch of interviews with detectives, police, and DB admins at Tesco. Yawn. This guy chose to live the experience of trying to hide - he's not pretending to be a spy, he's pretending to be spied on. As another commenter said, this is his job, it's how he supports him family.
- anigbrowl 17y ago
  Is designed to scare people. Even though it's BS. Most of those cameras are firstly in massive cities. Well, lots of people live in those massive cities...and by cities, I mean anywhere with a population of >100k or so. It's easy to be blase about it from a viewer's perspective. I lived in London from 88-96 and was surprised to see how much surveillance increased during that time. On the rare occasions when I go back I find it quite unpleasant and intrusive to see so many cameras. Certainly one can argue the old 'if you're not doing anything wrong...' position. But what's 'wrong' is not guaranteed to be fair or consistent, but can change quite quickly if the political climate shifts - and it's comforting but mistaken to assume all our mistakes are behind us and things can only improve. Sometimes they decline, and under those circumstances ubiquitous surveillance paired with ample state funding for technological improvements presents a serious danger. Consider that by the time the Berlin wall fell, the East German secret police operated a network of informers estimated to comprise ~2% of the whole population - some claim it was much higher. that's not a healthy use of resources or authority. Didn't downvote you BTW - I disagree but I don't consider a variance in opinion justifies all the negatives.
  - axod 17y ago
    My main issue though is that articles hand wave about these cameras, implying that they are a state owned program of surveillance. They're not. Companies, shops, town councils, decide independently to install cameras.
retube 17y ago
The concept of trying to evade detectives you've hired to track you down is vaguely arresting... but has nothing to do with the surveillance issue he is trying to highlight, as others have pointed out here. To be honest, it sounds really lame, particularly his freaking out and so on, given the entire thing is contrived for a TV show. Plus I would say - wtf disappearing for a month with his wife heavily pregnant. Bullshit "work commitments". What on earth could have prevented them doing it in 3 or 6 months??
- conanite 17y ago
  In 3 or 6 months his wife has a small baby to deal with. As far as I can tell (I'm not the right gender), babies are easier to deal with while they're still inside.

retube 17y ago

I want to vote you up, but there's no up arrow ?