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Calling people you disagree with "trolls" and dismissing censoring as just "trolling" is a poor attempt at an apology. And that's coming from someone who hates

by watty 10y ago

Calling people you disagree with "trolls" and dismissing censoring as just "trolling" is a poor attempt at an apology. And that's coming from someone who hates /r/the_donald.

kristianov 10y ago
Calling part of their user base trolls is just dehumanization, making them seem less than human and hence not worthy of fair treatment.
- freehunter 10y ago
  Calling a troll a troll is not dehumanization. Especially when spez called HIMSELF a troll and said he was trolling and was raised as a troll.
unlikelymordant 10y ago
There were a lot of comments whos only content was "fuck u/spez". I saw quite a few and I don't subscribe to the donald. This is obviously not constructive commenting, its just plain abuse. If you insult the donald mods you'll be instantly banned (from the subreddit), so it's not like the subreddit should find banning users for abuse strange.
ajkjk 10y ago
Calling trolls 'trolls' is pretty reasonable, though, so what you're really saying is that you don't think they're trolls, whereas other people do? We could run a poll or something to find out, or listen to arguments from both sides, to get to the bottom of that. I don't want to do that. I just want to highlight that it is very plausible that many people view them as trolls. Not because of their views, because of their behavior (there are thousands examples, right?). So then we have a problem -- If your default stance when someone disagrees with you (about whether the word 'troll' is fair here) is asserting that they're manipulating language for political reasons, when there's clearly a very reasonable argument for the use of that language (whether or not you accept it, you have to agree there's an argument), then you're committing the same crime they are - manipulating language to unfairly vilify them.

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Calling people you disagree with "trolls" and dismissing censoring as just "trolling" is a poor attempt at an apology. And that's coming from someone who hates

by watty 10y ago

Calling people you disagree with "trolls" and dismissing censoring as just "trolling" is a poor attempt at an apology. And that's coming from someone who hates /r/the_donald.

kristianov 10y ago
Calling part of their user base trolls is just dehumanization, making them seem less than human and hence not worthy of fair treatment.
- freehunter 10y ago
  Calling a troll a troll is not dehumanization. Especially when spez called HIMSELF a troll and said he was trolling and was raised as a troll.
unlikelymordant 10y ago
There were a lot of comments whos only content was "fuck u/spez". I saw quite a few and I don't subscribe to the donald. This is obviously not constructive commenting, its just plain abuse. If you insult the donald mods you'll be instantly banned (from the subreddit), so it's not like the subreddit should find banning users for abuse strange.
ajkjk 10y ago
Calling trolls 'trolls' is pretty reasonable, though, so what you're really saying is that you don't think they're trolls, whereas other people do? We could run a poll or something to find out, or listen to arguments from both sides, to get to the bottom of that. I don't want to do that. I just want to highlight that it is very plausible that many people view them as trolls. Not because of their views, because of their behavior (there are thousands examples, right?). So then we have a problem -- If your default stance when someone disagrees with you (about whether the word 'troll' is fair here) is asserting that they're manipulating language for political reasons, when there's clearly a very reasonable argument for the use of that language (whether or not you accept it, you have to agree there's an argument), then you're committing the same crime they are - manipulating language to unfairly vilify them.